Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-08-01 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/1 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: comex wrote: At the extreme, I remember watching the creation, under a scamming organization called the cabal, of a fake sub-cabal as a way to trick other players into participating in a scam believing they were participating in a different one.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-08-01 Thread ais523
On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 22:58 -0400, comex wrote: The amount of planning behind a scam can vary wildly. Even planning out a relatively minor scam over IRC can be loads of fun, collaborating to check the ruleset for obscure problems and make up the exact wording to make it work properly... and

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-08-01 Thread ais523
On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 12:52 +0100, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/8/1 Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com: comex wrote: At the extreme, I remember watching the creation, under a scamming organization called the cabal, of a fake sub-cabal as a way to trick other players into participating in a

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-08-01 Thread comex
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:37 AM, ais523callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Heh, it was more complicated than that. The 'subcabal' containing me and Sgeo was actually legitimate, in that we were planning genuine scams there (some of which we have to try sometime; I don't think any of them were

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-08-01 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/8/1 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: Heh, it was more complicated than that. The 'subcabal' containing me and Sgeo was actually legitimate, in that we were planning genuine scams there (some of which we have to try sometime; I don't think any of them were actually attempted). We

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-08-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, ais523 wrote: Agreed with this; I've worked with such scams with comex in the past, and have also done personal scams (without help) which required months of setup. However, I think my favourite gameplay ever was proposal 5707 and its aftermath; IIRC, this was similar to

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-31 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 08:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: Staying on the list once you're on it (by successive wins) has a much higher premium than it used to. In a rational game, one should be able to drive a harder bargain with coppro. I wonder if you're the only nomic player who thinks that

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 08:29 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: Staying on the list once you're on it (by successive wins) has a much higher premium than it used to. In a rational game, one should be able to drive a harder bargain with coppro. I wonder if you're

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-31 Thread Elliott Hird
2009/7/31 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: I wonder if you're the only nomic player who thinks that winning is only good because of the political benefits you get from it? For me, I'm only trying to get into positions of political power so that I can subsequently win from them. People

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, Elliott Hird wrote: 2009/7/31 ais523 callforjudgem...@yahoo.co.uk: I wonder if you're the only nomic player who thinks that winning is only good because of the political benefits you get from it? For me, I'm only trying to get into positions of political power so that I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-31 Thread comex
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Kerim Aydinke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Honestly, I think what makes a good game work is creative tension. Around here, examples I've been in the thick of/in the race for:  1.  A tight race to a win condition;  2.  An attempt to reach and/or hold a pinnacle

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-31 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: At the extreme, I remember watching the creation, under a scamming organization called the cabal, of a fake sub-cabal as a way to trick other players into participating in a scam believing they were participating in a different one. Which scam was that?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-31 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, comex wrote: On my part, a good, unambiguous, well-prepared scam win is my favorite goal in Agora. Heh. Your perfect scam that unambiguously works (i.e. it's clearly allowed by the rules once revealed) fits the definition of my perfect power play. So we agree :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6414-6420

2009-07-27 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 27 Jul 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: 6420 O 0 1.0 G. no, really! A note on this: beyond the obvious let me win thing. We did this because of the new speaker succession rules: 1. If 2+ people win before coppro wins, e rotates off the Speaker list. 2. If coppro wins, e