DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-07-18 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: clarify Mother, May I? AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2152 to read The following terms are defined for the discussion of situations concerning attempts by some entity to perform some action. These terms are spelled in all capitals. Where these words are used in low

DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
proto-proposal: clarify Mother, May I? AI: 2 {{{ Amend rule 2152 to read The following terms are defined for the discussion of the status of events. These terms are spelled in all capitals. Where these words are used in lowercase these definitions do not necessarily app

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread comex
On Thursday 02 August 2007, Zefram wrote: > proto-proposal: clarify Mother, May I? > AI: 2 > This does not fix CAN-allowing-action vs. MAY-allowing-action. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >This does not fix CAN-allowing-action vs. MAY-allowing-action. Both terms are perfectly well defined. "CAN" is used in several places to make something possible where it would otherwise be impossible. The sole use of "MAY" has a sensible meaning, of giving permission, but appears to

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread comex
On Thursday 02 August 2007, Zefram wrote: > comex wrote: > >This does not fix CAN-allowing-action vs. MAY-allowing-action. > > Both terms are perfectly well defined. "CAN" is used in several places > to make something possible where it would otherwise be impossible. > The sole use of "MAY" has a s

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: >What if the ordinary language bit was a bit less clear and said: Then the rule would be pretty unclear. >Rule 1607 is not the only relevant rule. Consider, for example, rule 2161. >CAN the player assign ID numbers? R2161 doesn't explicitly address the capacity to assign ID numbe

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Ian Kelly
On 8/2/07, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > comex wrote: > >What if the ordinary language bit was a bit less clear and said: > > Then the rule would be pretty unclear. > > >Rule 1607 is not the only relevant rule. Consider, for example, rule 2161. > >CAN the player assign ID numbers? > > R2161

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: proto-proposal: clarify Mother, May I? * CAN : it is POSSIBLE for to . * CANNOT : it is IMPOSSIBLE for to . This eliminates " CAN only if " as a synonym for " CANNOT if not ". Similarly for the other cases. In particular, we might want to amend Rule 101 to

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Ed Murphy wrote: This eliminates " CAN only if " as a synonym for " CANNOT if not ". Similarly for the other cases. Those semantics are the usual meaning of "only if", aren't they? How else might "only if" be interpreted? As "if not , then the rules do not specify whether

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-02 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >This eliminates " CAN only if " as a synonym for >" CANNOT if not ". Similarly for the other cases. Those semantics are the usual meaning of "only if", aren't they? How else might "only if" be interpreted? -zefram

Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-03 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >As "if not , then the rules do not specify whether CAN or >CANNOT ". OK. Here's my proto-addition to "clarify MMI": {{{ Enact a power=2 rule with title "Grammar for Logic" and text The following terms are defined for the discussion of logical relationships betwee

Fwd: Re: DIS: proto: clarify Mother, May I?

2007-08-03 Thread Peekee
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