Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:12 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 13:54 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Your client itself will normally display the timestamp attached by the > > sending machine. This is usually assumed to be honest, but could > > actually be

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 13:54 -0500, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Your client itself will normally display the timestamp attached by the > sending machine. This is usually assumed to be honest, but could > actually be forged (to amusing results, such as pushing a new email way > back in your

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with the hope that one of them has the best timing? Oh also, depending on what client you're using, you can schedule emails. That's probably a better bet than doing

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 11:59 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with > the hope that one of them has the best timing? I think it's logical to try, but if it's a necessary strategy it points to problem with the ga

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with the hope that one of them has the best timing? Unless you were sending from entirely different networks, you would not see different timings generally. I thi

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
How bad would it be to send several emails in a short period of time with the hope that one of them has the best timing? On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:55 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 13:46, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > Is the t

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 11:47 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Is the timestamp of the mailing list itself the one that appears on the > archive website? Yes for private archives, though with a UTC conversion. There's been some tension on this over Agora's history. The timestam

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:46, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: Is the timestamp of the mailing list itself the one that appears on the archive website? So if you download an email and open it in plaintext, or click "view headers" or "view source" on your client, you will see a ton of metadata

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Is the timestamp of the mailing list itself the one that appears on the archive website? On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:45 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 13:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > How do you determine which action was ma

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 13:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: How do you determine which action was made first on a certain Agoran day when multiple competing actions try to be the first message sent on that day? Emails are time-stamped by each device that touches them, generally speaking the

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 20:34 +0200, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > How do you determine which action was made first on a certain Agoran day > when multiple competing actions try to be the first message sent on that > day? Emails have timestamps in their email headers, added by the v

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Oh, I meant when different competing players try to be the first person to send a message on a certain Agoran day. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 8:42 PM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 4/11/23 14:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > > How do

Re: DIS: Question - Timestamp of an action?

2023-04-11 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/11/23 14:34, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > How do you determine which action was made first on a certain Agoran day > when multiple competing actions try to be the first message sent on that > day? Per R478/41: > Any action performed by sending a message is performed