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============================== CFJ 2110 ============================== At least two of the valid votes on Proposal 5648 were cast by the same player. ======================================================================== Caller: Murphy Judge: ais523 Judgement: ======================================================================== History: Called by Murphy: 23 Jul 2008 01:16:57 GMT Assigned to Quazie: 27 Jul 2008 22:40:23 GMT Quazie recused: 13 Aug 2008 23:27:26 GMT Assigned to ais523: (as of this message) ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: Assuming that tusho is not a player (CFJ 2074), Proposal 5648 was not made democratic until after the end of the voting period. Rule 2142 allows this, but what does it do to vote validity? ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by Goethe: R683 strongly implies that a vote is valid if it is among the first N where N<= the voting limit when the vote is submitted. This points to a dangerous break in the rule allowing democratization during the voting period, in that Ordinary votes cast before the democratization would remain valid even after the democratization. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by root: Among the otherwise-valid votes on an Agoran decision, only the first N submitted by each entity are valid, where N is the entity's voting limit on that decision. I don't see anything in there that implies "when the vote is cast" timing. It talks about the collective validity of votes which could have been cast at different times, not the validity of individual votes. In fact, condition (d) strongly implies that vote validity is a status that is evaluated instantaneously, not set in stone when the vote was cast -- otherwise, retracting a vote would fail to invalidate it. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by ais523: I spotted this scam ages ago, and filed CFJs 1959 and 1960 to determine whether it would work. The verdict is that it wouldn't, so I didn't try it. (I certainly would have tried it otherwise.) ========================================================================