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=============================== CFJ 3869 =============================== A player CAN send a message to agora-business by some method. ========================================================================== Caller: Jason Judge: Aris Judgement: TRUE ========================================================================== History: Called by Jason: 18 Jul 2020 18:27:45 Assigned to Aris: 25 Jul 2020 18:16:22 Judged FALSE by Aris: 03 Aug 2020 07:38:22 Motion to reconsider self-filed: 09 Aug 2020 21:39:05 Judged TRUE by Aris: 09 Aug 2020 21:39:05 ========================================================================== Caller's Arguments: First, I think it is clear that sending a message is an action - it is something that can be performed. Rule 478 says that "no Player shall be prohibited from participating in the Fora". A plain reading of this seems to indicate that Rule 478 "permits" players to participate in the Fora - preventing someone from being prohibited from doing something is ensuring that they are permitted to do it. Participating in the Fora also necessarily entails sending messages to the fora, so it seems Rule 478 also permits sending messages to the public fora. However, if Rule 478 "permits" sending messages to the public fora, then Rule 2125 states that sending a message to a public forum is an action that is regulated by the statutes of Agora (under condition (1) for an action being regulated). This means that the second paragraph of Rule 2125 applies. This paragraph applying would mean that the statues of Agora limit the action of sending a message to being performed only by the methods "specified" within the statutes of Agora. Since, AFAICT, no rule actually specifies a method of performing the action of sending a message to a public forum, R2125 implies that there is no method to send a message to a public forum. This would imply a judgment of FALSE. I also note that, even if "permit" is found not to have applicability, the Rules may also "allow" or "limit" sending messages to the public fora. Counterarguments to the above: R478 takes precedence over R2125 by number. Since R478 uses lowercase, (i.e.) natural language "prohibit", a finding that it is IMPOSSIBLE would make participating in the Fora impossible, thus "prohibiting" it. This would mean that the permission of participation would prevail over the lack of methods. Any one of: { R478 only permits participation in the Fora, which is not equivalent to permitting sending message to the Fora. R478 does not "permit" persons to send messages to the Fora, only prohibit a prohibition on it. R478 does not "permit" persons to send messages to the Fora, because that is an ability that exists outside of the Rules. }. All of these would mean that sending messages to the public Fora is not a regulated action, so R2125 does not apply. Even if the action is regulated, people are able to send messages outside of the Rules, and the Rules cannot disable them from doing so, so they have a method anyway. If R217 can be forced into the discussion, the best interests of the game clearly align with TRUE, since FALSE would be an extremely disruptive judgment. Caller's Evidence: Rule 2125/12 (Power=3) Regulated Actions An action is regulated by a body of law if (1) its performance is limited, allowed, enabled, or permitted by that body of law; (2) that body of law describes the circumstances under which it would succeed or fail; or (3) it would, as part of its effect, modify information for which some person bound by that body of law is required, by that body of law, to be a recordkeepor. If a body of law regulates an action, then to the extent that doing so is within its scope, that body of law prevents the action from being performed except as described within it, including by limiting the methods to perform that action to those specified within it. A body of law does not proscribe any action which it does not regulate. Rule 478/38 (Power=3) Fora Freedom of speech being essential for the healthy functioning of any non-Imperial nomic, it is hereby resolved that no Player shall be prohibited from participating in the Fora, nor shall any person create physical or technological obstacles that unduly favor some players' fora access over others. Publicity is a secured forum switch with values Public, Discussion, and Foreign (default), tracked by the Registrar. The Registrar may change the publicity of a forum without objection as long as: 1. e sends eir announcement of intent to that forum; and 2. if the forum is to be made public, the announcement by which the Registrar makes that forum public is sent to all existing public fora. Each player should ensure e can receive messages via each public forum. A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A rule can also designate that a part of one public message is considered a public message in its own right. To "publish" or "announce" something is to send a public message whose body contains that thing. To do something "publicly" is to do that thing within a public message. Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs it. Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the message, unless otherwise specified. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gratuitous Arguments by ais523: a) The reasoning in the caller's arguments for this CFJ effectively says "rule 478 says that players can't be prohibited from sending messages, thus players are prohibited from sending messages". It's hard to define a rule to mean the opposite of what it says! In particular, I don't think a rule can defined another rule to mean the opposite of what it says without taking precedence. Rule 478 and rule 2125 have equal Power, and 478 has a lower number; thus, rule 2125 cannot do something that contradicts the plain language of rule 478 without an explicit precedence claim, and it doesn't have one. b) A finding that sending messages is impossible would, AFAICT, most likely also find that Agora is ossified. Rule 1698 would have prevented such an ossification from occuring throughout a large portion of Agora's history (I can't remember all the old revisions of the rule, but it seems very likely that at least 1698/4 would have prevented this, so any ossifying change would have to have occurred prior to 7 April 2014). If the Ruleset contains a combination of rules that prevent sending messages, then the Ruleset is wrong; whatever proposal caused it to disallow the sending of messages would have been impossible to apply. It might take some effort to figure out what the rules actually say, but this is preferable to being unable to play at all. (If this reasoning turns out to be determinative of the final judgement, the judge should also check whether the emergency backup method of performing actions, "send an email to every player", is similarly blocked; if it works, then a failure of the fora to function would not be an ossification.) c) Even though it probably doesn't determine the result of this case, the "limited" part of rule 2125 is clearly broken in combination with the "limiting the methods to perform that action to those specified within it" part and should be fixed; it is entirely reasonable for a rule to limit how something can be done without needing to give an explicit method of doing so. It is quite possible that, although sending messages is sufficiently fundamental to Agora that it's almost impossible to break, the bug observed by the CFJ caller is a real bug and is breaking a number of less important actions which don't have as much protection from high-powered and low-numbered rules. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gratuitous Arguments by G.: It might be good to look at a reductio ad absurdum when it comes to defining a R2125 method. Following this line of reasoning, we might decide that a full definition has to be "a person CAN think of a sentence, and CAN compose the sentence, and CAN open eir email client, and CAN hit the send button..." etc., and even that presupposes we don't have to describe how thinking itself happens. So where does an explicit rules definition need to stop? Where's the dividing line between "external things that can be done physically outside of the rules" (which the rules can explicitly refuse to recognize, but absent such a refusal we assume they happened by the evidence of our eyes) and consequences of the external events (processes that the rules must enable for them to happen)? There's several lines of evidence that "sending a message to a forum" is the former, rather than the latter: - CFJ 1895 makes it clear that we assume "free will" (the formal cause of a person sending a message) is an input outside the game and a fundamental principle of play, and R101 makes it clear that inputs from 'agents of free will' (persons) are received via Fora; - The idea of "technical domain of control" only makes sense if we assume a message is part of that physical reality under the control of the sender until after it is sent, therefore putting the act of sending on the "natural free will" side; - CFJ 3793 finds that a R2125 method is 'a procedure by which the rules specify that an action contemplated can actually be realized [...] it may be a wilful natural action of a sentient being that starts things [...] where only some details are missing, then a good litmus test, in line with legal interpretation of contracts that need to be explicit, is whether the correct missing details are fairly immediately clear.' This suggests that we have to trace those methods back to last acts of conscious will (e.g. the sending of the messages) and that we can fill in clear details that aren't explicit (such as the fact that messages can be sent). - The first paragraph of R478 ("Freedom of speech"...) is primarily directed towards the Distributor or other technical aspects of the forum. Note that it generally assumes messages will be received and can't be prohibited from being sent by players. Further, the fact that the right of participation is limited to "players" and not "persons" is a recognition of the physical reality that messages CAN be sent by non players and are allowed to be blocked (i.e. it enables the use of spam filters to block incoming messages, it doesn't assume those messages haven't come through). - Common sense? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Judge Aris's Arguments: The question of the day is "Is sending a public message a regulated action?" The caller argues that it might due to the interaction of two rules. Rule 2125 defines regulated actions as follows: An action is regulated by a body of law if (1) its performance is limited, allowed, enabled, or permitted by that body of law; (2) that body of law describes the circumstances under which it would succeed or fail; or (3) it would, as part of its effect, modify information for which some person bound by that body of law is required, by that body of law, to be a recordkeepor. This definition is relevant in this case because, due to further provisions of Rule 2125, anything regulated by a rule cannot be done except as authorized by the rules; if sending a public message were regulated, this would be a problem, because no rule explicitly enables the sending of public messages. Fortunately, no rule describes the circumstances under which sending a message suceeds or fails, and messages do not, in and of themselves, modify information tracked by any recordkeepor. That leaves their performance its performance being limited, allowed, enabled, or permitted by that the rules. The caller believes that e has found a provision permitting persons to send messages in Rule 478, which as follows: Freedom of speech being essential for the healthy functioning of any non-Imperial nomic, it is hereby resolved that no Player shall be prohibited from participating in the Fora, nor shall any person create physical or technological obstacles that unduly favor some players' fora access over others. The caller contends that "A plain reading of this seems to indicate that Rule 478 'permits' players to participate in the Fora - preventing someone from being prohibited from doing something is ensuring that they are permitted to do it." The caller is right, as far as e goes. Preventing someone from being prohibited from doing something is *ensuring* that they are permitted to do it. It is not, however, permitting them to do it, even if the effect is largely identical in practice. To permit is to "give authorization or consent to (someone) to do something." Rule 478 doesn't authorize anyone to do anything, it just knocks down any prohibitions on taking certain actions. For instance, imagine two different couples, each raising one teenage son. The sons each request permission to stay out past curfew to attend prom together. In the first household, one parent gives the sons permission to stay out past curfew. In the other household, the mother tries to object, but the father immediately begins shouting about how the mother is "always too hard on our darling", leading her to falling silent. Both of the young men can go on their date. However, in only the former case was the son was permitted to go out; in the latter, the prohibition on the son going out was prevented. Lest objectors claim that these actions are one and the same thing, let me note one further implication present in the case of prohibiting a prohibition that would not be present were mere permission involved. Rule 478 can be read to prohibit the Distributor from censoring the Fora. By contrast, a mere statement that players MAY send messages to the Fora would not have such an effect. Now, to be clear, the rules do limit, allow, enable, and permit doing certain things in the messages one sends. But sending a message with certain content is an altogether different matter from sending them in general. As a personal note, I apologize for not using either of the excellent gratuitous arguments I received in response to my request. In particular, I found section a of ais523's both ingenious and extremely convincing. Although I did not need to reach it, I would have used it if the logic I used here had not occurred to me. No rule takes away the inherent and naturally existing ability of players to send messages to agora-business. Accordingly, TRUE. Judge Aris's Evidence Rule 2125/12 (Power=3) Regulated Actions An action is regulated by a body of law if (1) its performance is limited, allowed, enabled, or permitted by that body of law; (2) that body of law describes the circumstances under which it would succeed or fail; or (3) it would, as part of its effect, modify information for which some person bound by that body of law is required, by that body of law, to be a recordkeepor. If a body of law regulates an action, then to the extent that doing so is within its scope, that body of law prevents the action from being performed except as described within it, including by limiting the methods to perform that action to those specified within it. A body of law does not proscribe any action which it does not regulate. Rule 478/38 (Power=3) Fora Freedom of speech being essential for the healthy functioning of any non-Imperial nomic, it is hereby resolved that no Player shall be prohibited from participating in the Fora, nor shall any person create physical or technological obstacles that unduly favor some players' fora access over others. Publicity is a secured forum switch with values Public, Discussion, and Foreign (default), tracked by the Registrar. The Registrar may change the publicity of a forum without objection as long as: 1. e sends eir announcement of intent to that forum; and 2. if the forum is to be made public, the announcement by which the Registrar makes that forum public is sent to all existing public fora. Each player should ensure e can receive messages via each public forum. A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A rule can also designate that a part of one public message is considered a public message in its own right. To "publish" or "announce" something is to send a public message whose body contains that thing. To do something "publicly" is to do that thing within a public message. Where the rules define an action that a person CAN perform "by announcement", that person performs that action by unambiguously and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs it. Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the time date-stamped on that message. Actions in messages (including sub-messages) are performed in the order they appear in the message, unless otherwise specified. ==========================================================================