[ai-geostats] RE: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-03 Thread Isobel Clark
Colin You need to bear in mind that statistical tests such as t and F are only testing a very simple hypothesis - they do not test whether the samples are from the same population. The F test is to check whether the standard deviations differ. If the ore is from the same genesis, it is likely tha

[ai-geostats] RE: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-05 Thread Isobel Clark
Hence my recommendation to use cross cross validation Isobel http://geoecosse.bizland.com/books.htm --- Colin Daly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi > > Sorry to repeat myself - but the samples are not > independent. Independance is a fundamental > assumption of these types of tests - an

[ai-geostats] Re: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-06 Thread Isobel Clark
There ws a pretty good paper on global standard errors in the 1984 APCOM proceedings, so I am sure it should be in the major textbooks by now. Commparing the sills is very straightforward, I think. Isobel http://geecosse.bizland.com/books.htm --- Chaosheng Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is

Re: [ai-geostats] RE: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-03 Thread Donald E. Myers
RE : "F and T tests" One should be careful in simply referring to "F and T tests". There is no such thing as a uniquely identified/determined "F test" nor a uniquely identified/determined "T test". In both cases one is simply identifying the distribution of a test statistic. The F distri

Re: [ai-geostats] Re: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-07 Thread Chaosheng Zhang
TED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: [ai-geostats] Re: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p > There ws a pretty good paper on global standard errors > in the 1984 APCOM proceedings, so I am sure it should > be in the majo

Re: [ai-geostats] Re: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-07 Thread Digby Millikan
While your talking about sill's being the global variance which I read everywhere, isn't the global variance actually slightly less than the sill, as the values below the range of the variogram are not included? i.e. the sill would be the global variance when you have pure nugget effect. * By

Re: [ai-geostats] Re: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-07 Thread Isobel Clark
Digby I see where you are coming from on this, but in fact the sill is composed of those pairs of samples which are independent of one another - or, at least, have reached some background correlation. This is why the sill makes a better estimate of the variance than the conventional statistical me

Re: [ai-geostats] Re: F and T-test for samples drawn from the same p

2004-12-07 Thread Meng-Ying Li
Hi Isobel, Could you explain why it would be a better estimate of the variance when independance is considered? I'd rather think that we consider the dependance when the overall variance are to be estimated-- if there actually is dependance between values. Or are you talking about modeling sill v