Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread stef
I think sending realtime audio data via eternet will be extremely difficult. It should be impossible to synchronize sample clock via ethernet. So each device has to have its own sample clock. This requires: - resampling units (=no lossles connections possible) or - large buffers to slowly adapt s

RE: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Behalf Of stef > Sent: 18 February 2002 17:01 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output) > > > I think sending realtime audio data via eternet will be > extremely difficult. It should be impossible to synchronize > sample c

RE: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread Jez Humble
A parallel discussion has been taking place in the music bar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I've given some of the more important comments below. >I think sending realtime audio data via eternet will be >extremely difficult. It should be impossible to synchronize >sample clock via ethernet. So each device

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread Dan Hollis
On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, stef wrote: > I think sending realtime audio data via eternet will be > extremely difficult. Why? > It should be impossible to synchronize > sample clock via ethernet. Why? Did you read the gibson magic spec? -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-] _

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread stef
Dan Hollis wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2002, stef wrote: > > I think sending realtime audio data via eternet will be > > extremely difficult. > > Why? > > > It should be impossible to synchronize > > sample clock via ethernet. > > Why? > > Did you read the gibson magic spec? Oh, sorry! I thoug

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread Bob Ham
On Mon, 2002-02-18 at 17:00, stef wrote: > It should be impossible to synchronize > sample clock via ethernet. If it's possible for me to synchronise my PC clock to sub-millisecond accuracy over *IP* on a LAN, I somehow doubt it'd be impossible to synchronise word clocks over ethernet. -- Bob H

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread stef
Bob Ham wrote: > If it's possible for me to synchronise my PC clock to sub-millisecond > accuracy over *IP* on a LAN, I somehow doubt it'd be impossible to > synchronise word clocks over ethernet. Sounds great! 20 nanoseconds would be enough. But the problem in digital audio is that the clock h

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, stef wrote: > Anyway, which software/protocol/service do you use for > your clock synchronisation? _very_ interesting! Probably ntp. Works well, multicast mode should be excellent for this. BTW if you use fixed size packets on fullduplex ethernet (as gibson's magic does), t

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread Bob Ham
On Mon, 2002-02-18 at 23:00, stef wrote: > Anyway, which software/protocol/service do you use for > your clock synchronisation? _very_ interesting! The mother of all time protocols, NTP http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.htm -- Bob Ham: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My music: http://mp3.com/obelisk_uk

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, stef wrote: > But the problem in digital audio is that the clock has > to be readjusted in short intervals. I just thought of something. multicast is perfect for clock synchronization. -Dan -- [-] Omae no subete no kichi wa ore no mono da. [-] ___

RE: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-18 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
uary 2002 23:01 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output) > > > Bob Ham wrote: > > > If it's possible for me to synchronise my PC clock to sub-millisecond > > accuracy over *IP* on a LAN, I somehow doubt it

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-19 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Feb 18, 2002 at 03:11:11 -0800, Dan Hollis wrote: > On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, stef wrote: > > Anyway, which software/protocol/service do you use for > > your clock synchronisation? _very_ interesting! > > Probably ntp. Works well, multicast mode should be excellent for this. It's not reasonab

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-19 Thread Jeremy Hall
This one is a toughy. Even if you use NTP, you still have a signifficant amount of drift to deal with. The system clock is not sample-accurate. Multicast NTP still requires unicast connectivity to the multicast servers, so I really don't understand the point. _J In the new year, Steve Harris

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-19 Thread Dan Hollis
On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Steve Harris wrote: > However, on raw ethernet, the arrival of the packets + a timestamp should > be enough synchronisation. Yes, it should. > >From what I remeber of magic, it ensures the packets are sent > synchronosly. No, it just tries very hard :-) by using fixed packe

Re: [Alsa-devel] audio via ethernet (was: dolby digital output)

2002-02-20 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, Feb 19, 2002 at 01:48:48 -0800, Dan Hollis wrote: > > >From what I remeber of magic, it ensures the packets are sent > > synchronosly. > > No, it just tries very hard :-) by using fixed packet lengths, and strict > inter-packet timings. ;) OK, but as long as the system is magic only the