RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-09 Thread Fred Tonetti
: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result On the question of defining fitness as a time series. I agree that having a value every bar wouldnt be useful However Looking at the following scenario, using CAR as an example If we

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-09 Thread Paul Ho
: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result Greetings all -- I agree with Fred's comments just above this posting. On the subject of calculation of an objective function. In my opinion, it is important to consolidate all of the characteristics that are importa

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-09 Thread Fred Tonetti
://www.amibroker.org/userkb/2007/08/13/4-io-robustness-a-sensitive-subje ct/ _ From: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard B Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 1:46 PM To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk

Re: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-09 Thread Howard B
Greetings all -- I agree with Fred's comments just above this posting. On the subject of calculation of an objective function. In my opinion, it is important to consolidate all of the characteristics that are important to you (remember -- the definition of this function is your personal choice) i

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-09 Thread Fred Tonetti
1. The logic behind having a sensitivity guided or influenced in sample optimization is . Less sensitive parameters = A more robust system = A higher likelihood of good performance OOS . The problems with a separate guidance phase or a Test OOS that precedes a Real OOS is that by definition th

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-08 Thread Fred Tonetti
: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard B Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 11:34 PM To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result Hi Brian -- I tend to agree with Fred. I, personally, do not use the

Re: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-08 Thread Howard B
Hi Brian -- I tend to agree with Fred. I, personally, do not use the guidance data set. If you want to use it, and you are looking for consistency between the two data sets, that might be valuable. But another measure of that is simply the equity curve and other performance stats over both peri

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-08 Thread Fred Tonetti
Personally I couldn't find any value in the guidance phase which I allowed for in IO for a couple of years and have since removed the capability. _ From: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brian_z111 Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:32 PM To: amibroker@yahoo

Re: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-08 Thread Howard B
Greetings all -- I am coming to this discussion a little late. I just returned from giving a talk at the NAAIM conference in Irvine. Some of the discussions I had with conference attendees was exactly the topic of this thread. If you are using some data and results to guide the selection of log

Re: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-08 Thread Edward Pottasch
thanks. Will have a look, Ed - Original Message - From: Fred To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result There's a simple example of this in the UKB under Intelligent

Re: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-08 Thread Edward Pottasch
hi, "While optimization can be employed to search for a good system via methods utilizing automated rule creation, selection and combination or generic pattern recognition" anyone care to explain how this works? Some kind of inversion technique? Here is what I want now give me the rules to g

Re: RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-07 Thread ftonetti
Paul, Let's take this offline ... Tell me what you have in mind via email and I'll consider it ... - Original Message - From: Paul Ho Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 12:28 pm Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result To: amibroker@yahoo

Re: RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-07 Thread ftonetti
During in sample optimization Fitness is adjusted for sensitivity if users direct it to be so ... - Original Message - From: Paul Ho Date: Wednesday, May 7, 2008 10:26 am Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-07 Thread Paul Ho
amibroker@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result Paul, One other word of caution . If you are using OOS testing to drive the selection process of parameters to be used in sample then you run the risk of invalidating the OOS.

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-07 Thread Paul Ho
Fred Fitness is adjusted for sensitivity isnt it? even though it doesnt prelude it. _ From: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Tonetti Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 11:49 PM To: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-07 Thread Fred Tonetti
Paul, One other word of caution . If you are using OOS testing to drive the selection process of parameters to be used in sample then you run the risk of invalidating the OOS. I could have automated this process in IO but I didn't for exactly this reason. _ From: amibroker@

RE: [amibroker] Re: Fitness Criteria that incorporates Walk Forward Result

2008-05-07 Thread Fred Tonetti
Paul, Sensitivity analysis during in sample optimization is not directly related to finding a new fitness high. That would be too restrictive and might well preclude finding solutions that have better fitness after being adjusted for sensitivity. _ From: amibroker@yahoogroups.c