Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 PM, Doug wrote: > If everyone reading this thread just took the time to mark spam apps as > "inappropriate" (then "Other objection" -> type "Spam") using the market, > might that cause anyone running the market to take notice? > Nope. There was an experiment that some

[android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread Doug
If everyone reading this thread just took the time to mark spam apps as "inappropriate" (then "Other objection" -> type "Spam") using the market, might that cause anyone running the market to take notice? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Develo

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Albert wrote: > Surely Google could come up with a even better system, right? Google could do a lot of brain-dead simple, common sense things that would be fairly easy to implement and vastly improve the Market that for inexplicable reasons they never do or take

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2010-08-06 Thread Albert
> > 2. Charging a *small* fee per app would actually work, without unduly > hurting most legitimate devs. Maybe $5 or $10 per app; if your app > isn't worth $10 to you to list, how serious can you be? OTOH, even > such a small fee would stop the spam dead in its tracks. There might > be a few legi

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2010-08-06 Thread Al
I really like the idea of charging per app. I can't bear to go through the 'Just In' category, it's the same crap over and over again. jsdf wrote: > For what it's worth, BlackBerry App World has a form of this. You pay > $200, and are given ten "submissions", after which you need to renew > for a

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2010-08-06 Thread jsdf
For what it's worth, BlackBerry App World has a form of this. You pay $200, and are given ten "submissions", after which you need to renew for another $200. Each "submission" triggers a manual review process. While I don't agree with the high price/submission or the manual review process, I do t

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread Jonas Petersson
On 08/06/2010 08:15 PM, samspade79 wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:07 PM, samspade79 wrote: Firstly, someone said a "real" developer cannot do more than a few apps. Please quote whomever said this, I'm not seeing it in the thread. You're right I must have been dreaming. I thought I saw someo

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2010-08-06 Thread a1
> I don't know how google could push paid apps but is it a coincidence > the ratio of paid to free is massively higher on apple? Because developers from only 9 countries can sell apps? > I personally wouldn't mind a moderated market place. I know apple aren't > popular > here but no one can deny

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2010-08-06 Thread samspade79
You're right I must have been dreaming. I thought I saw someone say that though. I don't know how google could push paid apps but is it a coincidence the ratio of paid to free is massively higher on apple? I personally wouldn't mind a moderated market place. I know apple aren't popular here but no

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2010-08-06 Thread a1
> Reading this thread, I understood that one spammer already has 3 or 4 > accounts on the Market. This means he already paid 100 dollars to publish > apps. > > Developing an app costs much more that the 10 $ of publishing fee you > propose. Even the simplest would require at least a couple of hours

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:07 PM, samspade79 wrote: > Firstly, someone said a "real" developer cannot do more than a few apps. > Please quote whomever said this, I'm not seeing it in the thread. The only reference I see to the word "real" is "Any real developer could afford $1 to update the app"

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2010-08-06 Thread samspade79
Couple of points. Firstly, someone said a "real" developer cannot do more than a few apps. I disagree in some cases. I have many apps up because I have a variation on a theme. I have a sports app per team, so if you want Manchester Utd news, podcasts, etc, you download my Manchester Utd version. A

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) < cor...@gmail.com> wrote: > It would also be a good idea to charge $1 to update as well. Any real > developer > could afford $1 to update the app, those who choose to update solely > to bring their app to the top of the "just in" lis

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2010-08-06 Thread Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
Any system that's based on number of downloads or user ratings can easily be fooled. I see apps in the market with 50,000+ downloads that appeared in a matter of days. I know from watching the market that the only way an app can achieve that many downloads is if it has been promoted by a major orga

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Alessandro Pellizzari wrote: > 25$ is a one time fee. I could then publish 10 apps. > I think the likelihood of a single developer publishing 10 useful apps is very small. > Reading this thread, I understood that one spammer already has 3 or > 4 accounts on the

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2010-08-06 Thread Mike dg
> I used to have ad supported app on market, and from what I can tell, > there is not even a slight possibility to generate such revenue from > this crap (50k active user base generated 10$/day revenue on 4.5* > rated app). Also note that you have to have this money upfront which > is also a big "

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2010-08-06 Thread Alessandro Pellizzari
Il Fri, 06 Aug 2010 07:49:47 -0700, a1 ha scritto: > On 6 Sie, 16:25, Alessandro Pellizzari wrote: >> If I want to write a useful free or open source app without ads, I am >> blocked by the cost. > > How? You have to pay register fee anyway, so lets set registering fee to > 10$ and add 10$ publ

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread Jonas Petersson
On 08/06/2010 04:51 PM, TreKing wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Alessandro Pellizzari mailto:a...@amiran.it>> wrote: If I want to write a useful free or open source app without ads, I am blocked by the cost. Um ... you're already "blocked" by the cost ... Follow along with me now:

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2010-08-06 Thread Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru)
I like the cost to submit idea. It should be extra beyond the signup fee. $10 per app would be very reasonable. The money could be used for the developer seeding program. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Alessandro Pellizzari wrote: > If I want to write a useful free or open source app without ads, I > am blocked by the cost. > Um ... you're already "blocked" by the cost ... Follow along with me now: currently, you have to pay $25 to sign up as a developer, yes? So

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2010-08-06 Thread a1
On 6 Sie, 16:25, Alessandro Pellizzari wrote: > Il Fri, 06 Aug 2010 09:05:32 -0500, TreKing ha scritto: > > > Actually, I think it's a great idea. What hurts legitimate developers > > (and users, and the Android platform in general) is this rampant, > > uncontrolled garbage in the Market. Start

[android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread Alessandro Pellizzari
Il Fri, 06 Aug 2010 09:05:32 -0500, TreKing ha scritto: > Actually, I think it's a great idea. What hurts legitimate developers > (and users, and the Android platform in general) is this rampant, > uncontrolled garbage in the Market. Start charging to submit an app and > you hurt the spammers far

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:14 AM, { Devdroid } wrote: > On 6 August 2010 11:22, a1 wrote: > > This will not change anything, the biggest problem with spam is that, > > well, they spam all categories, so adding additional category is > > pointless. I think that there should be a publisher fee for ea

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2010-08-06 Thread String
On Aug 6, 11:14 am, "{ Devdroid }" wrote: > On 6 August 2010 11:22, a1 wrote: > > > pointless. I think that there should be a publisher fee for each app, > > this will stop spam for sure. > > That's silly idea and would hurt legitimate developers. Well, *something* needs to be done. Some possib

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread { Devdroid }
On 6 August 2010 11:22, a1 wrote: > This will not change anything, the biggest problem with spam is that, > well, they spam all categories, so adding additional category is > pointless. I think that there should be a publisher fee for each app, > this will stop spam for sure. That's silly idea an

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2010-08-06 Thread a1
This will not change anything, the biggest problem with spam is that, well, they spam all categories, so adding additional category is pointless. I think that there should be a publisher fee for each app, this will stop spam for sure. -- Bart Janusz (Beepstreet) On 6 Sie, 07:42, metal mikey wrot

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
You should report this at b.android.com. -- Kostya 06.08.2010 2:06, samspade79 пишет: A problem I had the other day was an app that once downloaded subscribed you to SMS alerts @ $2.99 a month. I'm not sure how it could do this without some kind of user confirmation but it was very alarming. O

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-06 Thread Kostya Vasilyev
You should report this at b.android.com. -- Kostya 06.08.2010 2:06, samspade79 пишет: A problem I had the other day was an app that once downloaded subscribed you to SMS alerts @ $2.99 a month. I'm not sure how it could do this without some kind of user confirmation but it was very alarming. O

[android-developers] Re: Android Market Abusive developers...

2010-08-05 Thread Gene R.
An Entertainment category already exists, where wallpapers, ringtones, and soundboards are supposed to go. Most spammers do not want their app in the "Entertainment" category, because that category is flooded already. So they post their wallpapers in the "Social" or "Communication" category. If

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2010-08-05 Thread metal mikey
I second (or second-hundred-thousand) the idea to create a Wallpaper category. Also a MatureContent category. And in anticipation of a huge flood of relatively useless/poor quality Apps created by App Inventor, an App Inventor category. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to t

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2010-08-05 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
Spam is not an issue, but the fact that legitamate apps with high ratings and many users appear AFTER the spam crap with barely a handful of downloads is a HUGE issue, IMO. I am to the point where I am close to giving up developing for the platform. On Aug 6, 5:58 am, "Gene R." wrote: > Spam i

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2010-08-05 Thread samspade79
A problem I had the other day was an app that once downloaded subscribed you to SMS alerts @ $2.99 a month. I'm not sure how it could do this without some kind of user confirmation but it was very alarming. On Aug 5, 4:58 pm, "Gene R." wrote: > Spam is a BIG problem on the Android market, with ma

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2010-08-05 Thread Gene R.
Spam is a BIG problem on the Android market, with many asian developers creating multiple accounts and FLOODING the market with their wallpaper and background apps. We've been trying to keep track of some of the spammers in this Google Market Suggestion Thread: http://www.google.com/support/forum/

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2010-08-04 Thread Moto
Yes, well exactly that I'm worried about the "Just In" view. I want to upload my application and give users the chance to find out about my application that way at least once in a while. But now it's a joke to look there it pure spam! No longer interested my self to look at the "Just In" since i