[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-17 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
Well, if you feel setting yourself up for a sure-fire audit, go with this advice. But I think it's more pragmatic to start with Google's number, and deduct as much "Commission" to match what you received, even if it's slightly more than 30%, like it was in my case. On Wednesday, April 18, 2

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-17 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
No, definitely not. My app is NOT ad supported and I got a 1099-K. On Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:50:27 AM UTC+8, niko20 wrote: > > Well I have made more than 3 times that in a year, and never gotten a > form yet..so I am thinking it's probably for ad-supported apps. > > -niko > > On Apr 13, 9

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-17 Thread niko20
Well I have made more than 3 times that in a year, and never gotten a form yet..so I am thinking it's probably for ad-supported apps. -niko On Apr 13, 9:48 pm, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: > Looks like,according to the link TreKing posted, you had to made $20,000 > (before the 30%) OR made 200 transacti

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-17 Thread niko20
Just go with whichever number is lowest. If your bank account transactions were lower, use those, as you have bank records to back it up if you get audited. If googles numbers are lower, use those as the 1099-k will report them and can be used as "proof". But if they did an audit they would still l

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-13 Thread John Coryat
>> we better start from the number appearing on the 1099-K as that's what the IRS gets also. That's what we did. Don't want to mess with the IRS! -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send em

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-13 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
In your case, since you didn't receive a 1099-K, that's probably fine, but for those of us who did, we better start from the number appearing on the 1099-K as that's what the IRS gets also. Of course, I am no tax accountant, so you better ask a professional. On Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:57:20

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-13 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
Looks like,according to the link TreKing posted, you had to made $20,000 (before the 30%) OR made 200 transactions. I don't know what constitutes a transaction, individual sales or monthly payouts, but that's what it says. On Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:51:55 AM UTC+8, niko20 wrote: > > I hav

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-13 Thread niko20
One last thing. Google's numbers have *never* made sense, so I just used the payouts for each month and added them up, I mean literally the amount of money that was sent to my checking account. If the IRS wanted to do an audit, that's the number they would finally end up with. If anything, that wou

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-13 Thread niko20
I'm wondering if maybe this form is only sent for apps with ads or something. I don't have such apps, only paid. And I have never received such a form and been on the market since early 2009. -niko On Apr 13, 8:58 am, TreKing wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: > >

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-13 Thread niko20
I have never received any form from Google, and I've made WELL into the thousands. -niko On Apr 13, 8:58 am, TreKing wrote: > On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: > > That makes sense that the commission is an expense, but is it not for > > Amazon?  Amazon is also sending a 10

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-13 Thread TreKing
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: > That makes sense that the commission is an expense, but is it not for > Amazon? Amazon is also sending a 1099-MISC as opposed to a 1099-K. This is my guess: with Google you're on your own. You're using Checkout or Wallet or whatever as a

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
That makes sense that the commission is an expense, but is it not for Amazon? Amazon is also sending a 1099-MISC as opposed to a 1099-K. Whatever. And as far as the despondency between what they report-30% and what I got, oh well. I just took what they reported, subtracted what I actually r

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread John Coryat
I think the logic here is that your company (not Google) earned the income for your app the moment the app was sold. The amount your company earned is equal to the amount you sold it for. Google's commission is an expense. There's nothing about this expense that should draw a red flag. Then aga

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
Not only that, but the monthly amounts on the 1099-K are consistently higher by 2-3% than what I had received for that month after taking out the 30%. Almost as if Google kept 32-33% instead of 30%. It is amazing that they cannot get their numbers in order. Screw it, I will just report what I

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
> > > Why would anyone report that 30% that isn't part of their income? That > > money is GOOGLE's income, not the dev's. > Because the Google 1099 does (Amazon doesn't). I have to actually deduct the 30% as a business expense, but since it's a fairly large percentage, it would probably raise

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread Jim Graham
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 03:46:57PM -0700, Zsolt Vasvari wrote: > So what did you do? Included the full amount and income and then > deducted the 30%? Wow, that will be a red flag for the IRS. At least > Amazon doesn't report the 30%. How fucked up is this? Why would anyone report that 30% that i

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
So what did you do? Included the full amount and income and then deducted the 30%? Wow, that will be a red flag for the IRS. At least Amazon doesn't report the 30%. How fucked up is this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group.

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread John Coryat
>> It is just a report of all gross payment "transactions" they did for you which they report to irs. I dont believe it has much to do with your actual earnings. Your actual earning may be lower. The key word in your sentence is "report." If your earnings don't match what the IRS thinks your ea

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread nexbug
It is just a report of all gross payment "transactions" they did for you which they report to irs. I dont believe it has much to do with your actual earnings. Your actual earning may be lower. (Not a tax lawyer so take this with a pinch of mud) -- You received this message because you are subsc

Re: [android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread TreKing
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:00 AM, John Coryat wrote: > I believe earnings must be over $6,000 in order to be graced with one of > these tax forms. Well, now I'm jealous. Meanwhile Amazon manages to sends me a form for earnings that were probably less than the cost of printing and mailing the f

[android-developers] Re: Google's 1099-K

2012-04-12 Thread John Coryat
We got one of those odd and impossible to cross check 1099-K's too. Besides being impossible to verify, it also included December earnings which aren't even paid into our account until January. We ended up including our December earnings with 2011 and just took the tax hit. I believe earning