Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread ox
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 22:57:03 +0530 Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > Easier to ask – why do other RIRs not have nearly the same high > quantum of such issues? > What do they do to prevent these, and reclaim resources allocated to > bogus entities? > I do not think that RIPE "has" to do anything. We

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Easier to ask – why do other RIRs not have nearly the same high quantum of such issues? What do they do to prevent these, and reclaim resources allocated to bogus entities? --srs On 15/08/16, 8:56 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" wrote: Unauthorized access is NOT ABUSE, in terms of

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread ox
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 07:29:56 -0700 Dave Crocker wrote: > On 8/14/2016 1:08 PM, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 09:15:19PM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: > >>> The use of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights of > >>> another resource > >> I like this. > > I...don't. > In thi

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread Chris Phillips
The use of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights of another resource >>> >>> I like this. >> >> I...don't. >> >> It is a meaningless political expression that can mean anything >> to anyone. > > I think this comment goes to the heart of the challenge, here. This > group is focuse

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread Dave Crocker
On 8/14/2016 1:08 PM, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 09:15:19PM +0200, Gert Doering wrote: The use of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights of another resource I like this. I...don't. It is a meaningless political expression that can mean anything to anyone. Nothin

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread Marilson
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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread an...@ox.co.za
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 11:22:36 + Erik Bais wrote: > Hi Andre, > What I tried to explain ( sorry for not being brief ..) : > Abuse in certain cases, might be good or wrong in the eye of the > beholder ... depending on their point of view and the goal to > achieve. > "What is normal for the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread Erik Bais
Hi Andre, > Latest version is: > The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights of > another resource What I tried to explain ( sorry for not being brief ..) : Abuse in certain cases, might be good or wrong in the eye of the beholder ... depending on their point o

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread an...@ox.co.za
On Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:54:17 + Erik Bais wrote: > Hi Andre, Hello Erik, > > Definition of Abuse as it should be defined by RIPE > > - > > The use of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights of another > > resource > La

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

2016-08-15 Thread Erik Bais
Hi Andre, > Definition of Abuse as it should be defined by RIPE > - > The use of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights of another resource The core of the problem of a good definition of abuse, is the intend of the acti

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