Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <06d65075-1380-47d2-a71b-a85216b7e...@foobar.org>, Nick Hilliard wrote: >On 3 Jan 2020, at 22:41, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: >> >> I have been waiting for the right moment to note that although RPKI >> has been widely touted, including by myself, as the thing that will in >> future

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 3 Jan 2020, at 22:41, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > I have been waiting for the right moment to note that although RPKI > has been widely touted, including by myself, as the thing that will in > future save us all Who claimed this? What a strange thing to think. Nick

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <20200103215429.gf93...@hanna.meerval.net>, Job Snijders wrote: >{... snipped ...} My apologies to Job, and to everyone, for my somewhat hasty and improper generalizations about non-RIPE IRRs generally. We agree that the RIPE IRR is at present very good, but my comments could

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Job Snijders
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 01:40:41PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message <20200103165918.gl72...@space.net>, Gert Doering > wrote: > >On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 04:14:07PM +, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > >> So the RIR has absolutely no role in maintaining say IRR data? I > >> agree

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <20200103165918.gl72...@space.net>, Gert Doering wrote: >On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 04:14:07PM +, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> So the RIR has absolutely no role in maintaining say IRR data? I agree >validating LOAs and such for routing changes would be on providers. Though

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >It is in their own members’ interest that they’re able to detect when some >malefactor approaches them with clumsily forged paperwork, newly created shell >companies pretending to be companies that were dissolved two decades ago etc >and tries to

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Randy Bush
> I am not a member. However, the increase in such incidents and the > risk of regulators or lawsuits occurring mean that RIPE NCC does need > to perform more due diligence than would be consistent with a “we are > not the internet police” position. if this is an accusation that they are not,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 04:14:07PM +, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > So the RIR has absolutely no role in maintaining say IRR data? I agree > validating LOAs and such for routing changes would be on providers. Though > if the changes were to be made in IRR data who would validate it?

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 03:55:07PM +, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > I am not a member. However, the increase in such incidents and the risk of > regulators or lawsuits occurring mean that RIPE NCC does need to perform more > due diligence than would be consistent with a ???we are not

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
I am not a member. However, the increase in such incidents and the risk of regulators or lawsuits occurring mean that RIPE NCC does need to perform more due diligence than would be consistent with a “we are not the internet police” position. It is in their own members’ interest that they’re

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Nikolas Pediaditis
Hi Elvis and all, The RIPE NCC's procedural and legal framework for the implementation of the RIPE policies allow the RIPE NCC to revert transfers in exceptional circumstances. This is mentioned in the transfer agreement that both parties have to sign (article 2.6):

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [routing-wg] An arrest in Russia

2020-01-03 Thread Michele Neylon - Blacknight
Sergey You DO NOT speak for all members. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: