Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox

2021-02-20 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , =?UTF-8?Q?Cynthia_Revstr=C3=B6m?= wrote: >Can you please stop attacking ideas (such as web forms) implying that they >only have malicious use cases. You have missed my point entirely. Web-based abuse reporting forms are not merely "an idea" any more than discrimination is merely

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Anti-social assholes

2021-02-20 Thread JJS JJS
To put it alternatively: Imagine you walk down a street and there are lots of pubs (saloons?) that serve Alcohol and they all have drunken people swearing and trashing the place and you ask to report it to the manager but the bouncer of one premises says... "You have to put it in writing via

[anti-abuse-wg] Anti-social assholes

2021-02-20 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
I get an email spam so I report it... via email. I *do not * don snorkle gear. I do not contort my body into odd shapes. I do not make my report out-of-band, via smoke signals, or morse code, or via modulated infrared wavelengths. Call me old fashioned, but as I have already made plain, I do

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] On the abuse handling policy of manitu.net (AS34240)

2021-02-20 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , furio ercolessi wrote: >remarks:trouble:| ab...@manitu.net | >remarks:trouble:|| >remarks:trouble:| IMPORTANT:Your message will probably sent to | >remarks:trouble:| the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox

2021-02-20 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Ronald, > >Can you please stop attacking ideas (such as web forms) implying that they >only have malicious use cases. There are plenty of sensible use cases for web forms. But requiring them for abuse reporting is not one of them. If you want to set up a

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox

2021-02-20 Thread Cynthia Revström via anti-abuse-wg
Ronald, Can you please stop attacking ideas (such as web forms) implying that they only have malicious use cases. > I hold them responsible because they obviously > fail to have in place contractual clauses that would persuasively > deter this behavior on the part of their customers. In many

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox

2021-02-20 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <20210218200036.066496e36...@ary.qy>, "John Levine" wrote: >Report web forms are out of the question because they do not scale. I >send about a hundred abuse reports a day about spam received from all >over the Internet, and I have no interest in using your form or anyone >else's to

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox

2021-02-20 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <0a339f88-8746-458d-a868-7bd3058b8...@consulintel.es>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >I see it in the other way around. Forms are not useful at all. You need to >manually fill in the form, unless you modify the automated reporting tools for >?each? ?form-holder?. Many of them also ask

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox

2021-02-20 Thread Cynthia Revström via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Ronald, You would find one example if you looked at my second email in the thread, but I am re-sending for your convenience. > Also to clarify these emails in particular were complete nonsense such as "I am under ddos from you, please help" with no other details. > They were also sent with

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Question about spam to abuse inbox

2021-02-20 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message =?UTF-8?Q?Cynthia_Revstr=C3=B6m?= wrote: >For some context, today and yesterday I have been receiving spam in the >form of fake abuse notices to my abuse contact email address. Example please? In what sense are these "fake"? Regards, rfg

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] On the abuse handling policy of manitu.net (AS34240)

2021-02-20 Thread Nick Hilliard
Volker Greimann wrote on 20/02/2021 00:39: It sounds GDPR legal. After all, they are telling you exactly what will happen with anything that you send there, so by sending it there in full knowledge, you are essentially consenting to that processing of your data. the best that could be said in

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] On the abuse handling policy of manitu.net (AS34240)

2021-02-20 Thread Hans-Martin Mosner
Am 20.02.21 um 01:39 schrieb Volker Greimann: > It sounds GDPR legal. After all, they are telling you exactly what will > happen with anything that you send there, so > by sending it there in full knowledge, you are essentially consenting to that > processing of your data. That may or may not