files (see
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> > How
I just logged in as a mentor, and accepted the program rules.
Let me know if there's anything I should do
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> Yes, even if you already registered last year. We just got a warning that
Today is the last day. Should we apply (or has anyone already applied)?
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>
> I think we should go for it. I'm happy to mentor this year.
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so, is there anything that could make using our data in *other* tools
> and systems easier?
>
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> still propose a vote so that
nt if no-one else wants to, although I have been pretty absent
>> and definitely not the most active contributor this past year.
>>
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It didn't sound familiar, but I double-checked. I don't.
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> Hello everyone,
>
> Who owns https://console.cloud.google.com/home/dashboard?project=apertium
> ?
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I was catching up with my email, and saw a message from Jonathan mentioning
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> Forgot about GSoC application - are we doing it this year? Has anyone
And, in the meantime, here you have updated images for apertium/base and
apertium/apy. They'll build on any commit to master, plus once a week
apertium/base
To use them, the same way as it's done with Docker Hub images
docker pull ghcr.io/apertium/apy:latest
Missatge de Xavi Ivars del dia dt
, I've added another Github Action that will build and push to the
GitHub Container Registry, and I'll do the same to push "apertium/base".
I'll wait for Sushain's answer to also push those images to Docker Hub
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> Hi
Cèsar.
+Julio González i Jesús Marzo. Juli Cèsar. [/option]
[/-DumAiorwCM6]
But I have no idea if that is related or not, and with the # of changes
that exist (web UI is showing 27 pages), it's quite hard to really
understand what's going on
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apertium-spa-cat and apertium-fra tests (using apertium-regtest) are broken.
I'm pretty sure the contributors to those packages don't really know how
regtest works, and what needs to be done to fix those tests.
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If there are no objections, I'll probably merge it in the next couple of
days. Even if this is just an starting point, it should be already better
than what we had (no checks running at all)
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Tested against v1.2.1 of apertium-spa, runinng some translations in both
pairs, and it seems working pretty well.
Ideally, we'd need to do a testvoc, but I'm not sure it's worth: what we
have now in master is probably better than whatever was last published.
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y apertium-es-gl needs to
depend on a specific release of spa. As far as I see, this package hasn't
still moved to use monolingual packages, and has its own Spanish
dictionaries, tagger, etc. Am I missing something?
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El dt., 2 de febr. 2021, 22:40, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
va escriure:
> Hèctor Alòs i Font
> čálii:
>
> > I am more sceptical about the need to distinguish between toponyms and
>
I did that for quite a long time for Softcatalà, and gave up: most of the
reports were actually wrong or useless. From people that picked the wrong
language pair, to people who was suggesting wrong translations, including
many people writing something like "this is wrong" in the form.
t;
> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 23:51, Xavi Ivars wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Any updates on new releases?
>>
>> I was looking at the current released versions of "apertium", and it
>> seems that it's 3.6.1, which was released last October (2019).
>>
&
Well, that's only "part" of the corpus... and for the Europarl, that part
of corpus was not left "as is" after Apertium, but also postedited.
The talk was specifically about eng-cat, and in that case, for the NMT
model, Apertium was not involved.
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resolution,...)
I agree with Mikel that the evaluation is well made. And after having tried
the neural a few times, it will probably be hard to get there, in terms if
fluency, with Apertium. Translations with Apertium are, usually, more
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xamples of where diverge the most, but those
examples would need to be completely synthetic.
Markup handling helps, though, in markup handling on different areas: some
formats where inline tags are common (like ODT), previous
formatter/deformatter was splitting words where tags appeared, so
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> Hey guys,
> Using wordbound blanks, we've modified the Apertium pipeline, modules and
> stream such that inline markup tags now move around with words in transfer,
> me
tium-cat-xxx lrx file.
> >
> > Moreover, If we had words not only with different kind of semantic
> > labels, but also marked as synonyms, maybe it'd be possible to give a
> > translation using a word labeled as synonym (if it has a translation)
> > instead of "unknown".
> >
>
> These are excellent examples, I'm just about to go out, but will address
> them when I get back. Thanks for the ideas..
>
> Note that my suggestion was to include this information
> in the monolingual packages.
>
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", but also by other modules that may need it. If we don't do
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Instead, if I could add semantic information in a monolingual step, then I
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want to
abuse it... But is that a good enough reason to abuse another module? Or
may it be the case that apertium-separable should handle a broader set of
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El dj., 28 de maig 2020, 16:14, Jonathan Wash
, transfer rules would benefit greatly, and
translations would be much better because of that. So even if trimming is
off by default, I'd push to have it enabled for this type of pairs.
My two cents,
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> https://github.com/apertium/streamparser
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> Okay. Maybe at least have a group appointed by the PMC and confirmed by
> the Assembly that at least h
In any case, we should probably further investigate that.
The locale format (language_country_variant) is not respected at the moment
because of the multiple underscores.
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> &g
y ask the ones that have more expertise (and, honestly, a much
better formed point of view that I do) in how Apertium is like it is today
(Mikel & Fran, but also Felipe, Sergio,...) to please keep challenging
approaches like this, but also by pointing out what are the weak points of
the prop
Don't you have an account already? Please go ahead and start working on it.
Missatge de Mohit Kumar Verma del dia dj., 26 de març
2020 a les 16:37:
> I want to ask that where is the option to create draft proposal in the
> wiki?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:57 PM
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to find a workaround to literally follow the rules but in practice
breaking them (just to be clear: I'm not taking about "holding" on someone
joining the PMC until their GSoC/GCI finish, but getting in/out/in the
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? I
>> am a GCI mentor and interested in taking part in activities of Apertium.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
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parable if I'm not wrong. So yeah, seems like
> we have this handled. As constructions get larger and more complex, I'm not
> so sure.
>
Both TAM and GNP can also be handled directly by multiwords in standard
apertium dictionaries.
http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/Multiwords
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I found the issue: it's due to a bug introduced last May (), while doing
some improvements to the `apertium` main script.
I've pushed a PR that should fix it:
https://github.com/apertium/apertium/pull/60
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Forget about it, that one has always been python3. I just got confused with
the genv*dix scripts
El dv., 13 de set. 2019, 12:45, Xavi Ivars va
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> El dv., 13 de set. 2019, 12:28, Tino Didriksen
> va escriure:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> I think only -por-cat uses both
also uses
both.
https://github.com/apertium/apertium-fra-cat/blob/master/Makefile.am#L122
What I'm not sure is why it seems the python script in there is already
python3 compatible....
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But I think now it's a good opportunity to consolidate, decide where we
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Would it be better to create a python package to contain these type of
scripts, instead of bundling everything into apertium?
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va escriure:
> The python2 scripts genvdix.py genvrdix.py genvldix.py are no longer
> usabl
pertium-separable/issues/1#issuecomment-471121936
>> but apertium-separable needs a new release I suppose
>>
>>
> I discussed with @Xavi Ivars after this fix
> whether it'd be better to include it or drop the call to apertium
> separable, since it is not sure than the fix rea
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Per cert, ja he pujat el canvi del lttoolbox al github d'apertium.
Falta corregir l'errada d'APy. Ara m'ho miraré i ho pujaré també!
Missatge de Xavi Ivars del dia ds., 2 de febr. 2019
a les 19:37:
> Té tot el sentit del món. Amb el mode -z, el que es permet és que el
> programa
val, output);
> +if (val != L'\0')
> + fputwc_unlocked(val, output);
>}
> }
> else
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 11:30, Xavi Ivars wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Missatge de Joan Moratinos Jaume del dia dt., 29
>> de gen. 2019 a les 20:19
causa del problema. Anul·lant la línia que envia '\0' a la sortida, la
> cosa va com una seda.
>
>
Possiblement si que és la solució definitiva, si el que passava és que
s'estaven passant dos \0. Només n'hauria de passar un. Però quan vaig
implementar el mode fa uns mesos, no vaig sabe
compiled dictionary, so we may have not faced
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El dt., 29 de gen. 2019, 06:53, Hèctor Alòs i Font
va escriure:
> Missatge de Jonathan Washington del dia
> dt., 29 de gen. 2019 a les 6:37:
>
>>
>> пн, 28 янв. 201
Actualitzant lttoolbox i apertium ja et funciona bé el que comentaves de
que no tornava cap traducció o la primera? Eixe problema s'ha resolt?
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El ds., 26 de gen. 2019, 21:26, Joan Moratinos Jaume
va escriure:
> Aquí tens els petits retocs per a
s de tindre problemes.
A Softcatalà estem utilitzant apy així i no tenim cap problema.
Respecte als retocs que cal fer a apy perquè funcionen els modes nous, la
veritat és que encara no m'ho he mirat. Si veus el problema i pots fer un
pull request o comentar-h
What are the encodings that each of you are using in the shell? Is it a UTF
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El dv., 9 de nov. 2018, 09:41, mansur <6688...@gmail.com> va escriure:
> Strange.
> I uploaded my output here: https://filebin.net/c7mikerq2v
rtium-init
You youd probably need to bootstrap monolingual and bilingual modules, as I
don't think we have such languages available (I may be wrong).
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Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dj., 4 d’oct.
2018 a les 13:27:
> Released:
> - lttoolbox v3.5.0
> - apertium v3.5.2
> - apertium-lex-tools v0.2.1
> - apertium-separable v0.3.2
> - hfst v3.15.0
> - hfst-ospell v0.5.0
> - cg3 v1.1.7
>
>
Thank you Tino
BTW, it depends on a new release (yet to be done) of apertium-separable
Missatge de Xavi Ivars del dia dj., 4 d’oct. 2018 a
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> Tino, this one is also still pending.
>
> Missatge de Xavi Ivars del dia dc., 30 de maig
> 2018 a les 21:06:
>
>>
>>
>> 2018
Tino, this one is also still pending.
Missatge de Xavi Ivars del dia dc., 30 de maig 2018
a les 21:06:
>
>
> 2018-05-29 16:55 GMT+02:00 Marc Riera Irigoyen <
> marc.riera.irigo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Seeing that another pair depending on aperti
lly missing bits that makes this not releasable just yet?
>
> It could always use more testing, but I think it's working fine per
> the specifications.
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Hola Enrique!
Quería escribirte desde hace algunos dias, pero he estado de vacaciones. En
primer lugar, bienvenido a Apertium!!!
Soy Xavi Ivars, uno de los colaboradores de Apertium, principalmente en los
pares relacionados con el catalán, pero también contribuyeno como puedo en
el *core *del
hen. But we can have this
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I guess now it's OK, but in the future we should avoid merging code that we
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ghts, but also some critical fixes
(C++ version agnostic usage of HMM tagger)
After that, we may need to publish a bunch of new languages and pairs that
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is quite concerning to
have this type of inestability (can we call it "bug"?) in the core of
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In Debian Jessie, it alsow works properly
Missatge de Xavi Ivars del dia ds., 18 d’ag. 2018 a
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>
>
> Missatge de Tino Didriksen del dia dc., 8
> d’ag. 2018 a les 10:42:
>
>>
>> The lttoolbox segfault is now fixed and passes its own "make test"
ersion, or a month-old version.
On the other hand, we haven't managed to get a correct result using bionic.
The results are always wrong, using nightly packages or compiling manually
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the tagger)
... | lt-proc -g lang.autogen.bin | lt-proc -x lang.autointergen.1.bin |
lt-proc -x lang.autointergen.2.bin | ... | lt-proc -x
lang.autointergen.n.bin | lt-proc -p lang.autopgen
Let me know if you have any feedback/suggestion/question/...
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ords (np.loc and np.ant). Is there anyone that can help a bit
on debugging apertium-tagger? Things like displaying the probabilities for
each option would help us identify if this is just something that is a
coincidence (both tags have exactly the same probs) or if there's something
wrong.
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>
>
Is there any way to check if there is ambiguity left? Something like
printing the distinct probabilities of the different analysis?
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e's a reason to do it
the way it is now, I'm OK. It was more an "out of curiosity" question, and
some bias towards consistency that I have, than a real concern.
We just need to make sure that this is properly documente
weighted FSTs has any
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nd of each end of line. So, instead of
LA la
FLEUR fleur
ROUGE rouge
something like
LA la
FLEUR fleur
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push it forward now.
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>
In order to do this, a new release of lttoolbox and a new release of
apertium-separable has to be released as well.
Tino, is there anything we can do to help you with the release?
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reason. Do
> any of you have experience with this?
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>
Regarding your second point, something we did in the past (which wasn't
"exactly" keeping the format was to use LibreOffice's API to convert the
docx file to ODT, and then translate that file. Not sure if that will
, they are also acknowledging the technology powering their new
portal.
IMHO, this is a very good example of use of free/open-source software by a
public administration, and a clear *win* for Apertium as a project.
[1] http://www.salt.gva.es/
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i era millor simplement
ignorar-les (a no ser que l'anàlisi fos explícita.
Respecte a oci@aran i oci@gascon, hi ha alguna diferència ara mateix als
diccionaris? Occità-català i occità-castellà només tenen oci i oci@aran,
pel que jo suposaria que oci@gascon és, simplement, el mateix que oci@ar
/Ideas_for_Google_Summer_of_Code/Adopt_a_language_pair
[4] http://wiki.apertium.org/wiki/IRC
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algorithms,... are examples of "things" you plan to do.
Could you try to be a bit more concrete on what you plan to do?
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El ds., 24 de març 2018, 23:00, Suraj Tamgale <sbtamg...@gmail.com> va
escriure:
> hi everyone,
> i've submitted
can setup now workflows that are repository-specific
to avoid things like this happening again.
And just to reinforce Mikel's message: thank you a lot to all of you
involved in the migration. Specially to *Sushain *and *Sardulc*
rse", but it's 100% usable. But the lexical selection
module needs to be there, as the bilingual translation module no longer
chooses a single translation for a given word, and the next module
(transfer) expects a single one.
So as far as I know, there's no fall
is is correctly written somewhere in the
> files).
>
> Next follows a short explanation in Catalan of the improvements.
>
Hi Hector,
I can only say: THANK YOU
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>> we hope this goes through as soon as possible before March 12.)
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> I agree. Basically this goes through now or we have to wait another six
> months.
>
Also, agree :)
I think it's a ma
people thinking the only software
> existing for text processing (and sometimes even for raw text editing)
> is called w...d (in 4 letters).
>
> So, if github is a place where your student can fins a lot of free
> software, putting Apertium on another place will be an o
t;his, her,
its". The objective of this task is to make asystem to resolve
anaphora and integrate it into a translation pipeline.
| mentors = [[User:Francis Tyers|Francis Tyers]]
| more = /Anaphora resolution
}}
I think it'll make it easier to edit the ideas page.
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complex. But if it works, then great!
In any case, thanks!
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Hi,
Is it possible to use in bidixes?
With Marc, we identified a few cases in the apertium-eng-cat bidix that
would really benefit of using . We're not sure if that's not possible,
or if it's supposed to work but it doesn't :)
Anyone has ever used it?
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pedia?
>
>
Supongo que la variante leonesa será más o menos lo que se habla en Miranda
de Duero, en Portugal, no?
Si es así, tengo entendido que esa variante está estandarizada.
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