Re: [aqm] adoption call: draft-welzl-ecn-benefits

2014-08-29 Thread Scheffenegger, Richard
Hi Gorry, Given QUIC includes FEC to hide losses, I guess it is a good example to consider whether ECN still offers sufficient benefits over and above just removing losses. GF: And then, isn't the implication of AQM to significantly increase the number of losses unless we use ECN?

Re: [aqm] adoption call: draft-welzl-ecn-benefits

2014-08-29 Thread David Collier-Brown
On 08/29/2014 09:16 AM, Scheffenegger, Richard wrote: Hi Gorry, Given QUIC includes FEC to hide losses, I guess it is a good example to consider whether ECN still offers sufficient benefits over and above just removing losses. GF: And then, isn't the implication of AQM to significantly

Re: [aqm] adoption call: draft-welzl-ecn-benefits

2014-08-29 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Gorry Fairhurst go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: OK, so I have many comments, see below. Gorry On 12/08/2014 10:43, Bob Briscoe wrote: Wes, and responders so far, A doc on the benefits and pitfalls of ECN is needed. Personally I wouldn't assign much of my own

Re: [aqm] adoption call: draft-welzl-ecn-benefits

2014-08-29 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
On 29/08/2014 14:52, David Collier-Brown wrote: On 08/29/2014 09:16 AM, Scheffenegger, Richard wrote: Hi Gorry, Given QUIC includes FEC to hide losses, I guess it is a good example to consider whether ECN still offers sufficient benefits over and above just removing losses. GF: And then,