Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread John Leslie
Gorry Fairhurst go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: To: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se, aqm@ietf.org aqm@ietf.org My summary: I would like to see some text on the downsides of having ECN transport, ECN enabled routers and having middle box bleaching ECN bits, thus removing the congestion

Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
On 28/04/2015 14:34, John Leslie wrote: Gorry Fairhurst go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk wrote: To: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se, aqm@ietf.org aqm@ietf.org My summary: I would like to see some text on the downsides of having ECN transport, ECN enabled routers and having middle box bleaching ECN

Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
Hi, it's quite hard to read the below email, considering how it's quoted. I think I need to see the new document to be able to tell if the changes works or not. Also, I actually still don't understand the concept of developing congestion. For me congestion means there is a sustained,

Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread Vishal Misra
One looks at the derivative of the queue length. If that derivative continues in the positive direction, you can proactively send a congestion signal and ask the flows to slow down before the queue size reaches “congestion levels”. It is the theory behind almost all control systems, and was the

Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
It is great to see some detailed comments from you looking afresh at this. Please see below for initial replies. On Fri, 24 Apr 2015, Wesley Eddy wrote: To keep moving forward with the set of documents, we'd like to start a Working Group Last Call on:

Re: [aqm] Review of draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits-03

2015-04-28 Thread Gorry Fairhurst
Dear Mirja, Thank you very much for your detailed review! Answers below: Begin forwarded message: Date: 23. april 2015 kl. 19.28.54 CEST From: Mirja Kühlewind mirja.kuehlew...@tik.ee.ethz.ch To: aqm@ietf.org, Michael Welzl mich...@ifi.uio.no, Gorry Fairhurst go...@erg.abdn.ac.uk

Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
I similarly support the document. One comment, for Mikael. On Apr 24, 2015, at 2:25 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2015, Wesley Eddy wrote: To keep moving forward with the set of documents, we'd like to start a Working Group Last Call on:

Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread John Leslie
Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: I would greatly appreciate if someone could point me to text explaining this so I can better understand the reasoning behind this wording. I recommend my slides from IETF-77: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/77/slides/iccrg-7.pdf ... Briefly, the

Re: [aqm] WGLC for draft-ietf-aqm-ecn-benefits

2015-04-28 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015, John Leslie wrote: Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: Also, I actually still don't understand the concept of developing congestion. For me congestion means there is a sustained, constant, non-trivial buffer fill. So incipient congestion doesn't compute at all. I