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2003-01-13 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
>> It's a pretty well documented fact that criminals are >> deterred by the knowledge that potential victims "might be >> armed." > That's kinda what I meant by the citizens acting as an armed police force. > One of the roles of the police is to deter crime. > What I was implying is that the

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-13 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
ED]> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and > the human rights >> On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John Sparks wrote: >> > I will have to concede then that in the current USA widesprea

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-13 Thread Steve
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Sam Ewalt wrote: > More guns will equal more shootings. Maybe they can handle their weapons > safely in Switzerland but here in the USA we're not doing so hot. > Anybody want to deny that obvious fact? GUN OWNERSHIP MANDATORY IN KENNESAW, GEORGIA Crime Rate Plummets - Why

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-13 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John Sparks wrote: > I will have to concede then that in the current USA widespread gun ownership > is desirable. Nope. I don't think so. More guns equals more shootings. It's as simple as that. Here's why: accidents and crimes of passion and stupidity. (Road

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 15:49:27 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John Sparks wrote: >> But I still >> believe that no guns is a desirable state of affairs. > Why does there seem to be simply the consentration upon "no guns" as > being the answer to preventing cri

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread L.D. Best
John, I just realized, as I read through many messages from many people, that I can tell you one good reason to allow people to own firearms and take personal responsibility for the use of those firearms. Recently we had two nuts, with lots of time to plan and top level munitions and accessories,

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Bart Buitinga
Dear friend, Are you suggesting this 18th century constitutional reasoning is tricking you to believe that the US population would stand a chance against the US army if ever...??? Sorry to say but I think you're tragically wrong there. Better look at more recent past (post WW2, or even after the i

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights > On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John S

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:20:46 -, John Sparks wrote: > I will have to concede then that in the current USA widespread gun ownership > is desirable. > I grew up in suburban UK and almost no-one had a gun. I never saw anyone > carrying a gun (other than children's toys) and only knew 2 people who

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
John - Original Message - From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Sparks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights > On Sun, 12 Ja

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Ron Clarke
Hi Folks, On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 16:33:05 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote: > Ordinary citizens should not act as a though they were an armed > police force. Such behavior is rightfully condemned as vigilantism. > It is illegal for them to take the law into their own hands. They do > however have th

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:36:03

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, John Sparks wrote:

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2003-01-12 Thread Bart Buitinga
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:41 AM >> Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and >> the human rights > >> >>> There are no civil

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-12 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:38:37 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:23:43 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > > Thank you very much.. it is now part of my new sign.txt > -- > If a country is to remain free its citizens must defy unjust laws. The new > "anti-terrorism" laws abridge th

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 18:23:43 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: Thank you very much.. it is now part of my new sign.txt -- If a country is to remain free its citizens must defy unjust laws. The new "anti-terrorism" laws abridge the rights of us all. It is time to keep the snoopers busy; how about

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread L.D. Best
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:36:03 -, John Sparks wrote: > Perhaps the only truly civilised society would be one where everyone was > allowed to own weapons but no-one wanted to take up the option. No ... because fear and hidden agendas could be the reason for persons to not "take up the option."

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:36:03 -, John Sparks wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:41 AM > Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (ext

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-11 Thread John Sparks
- Original Message - From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights > There are no civilized countries w

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2003-01-11 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:22:04 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote: >>> What is PBS? >> In the USA it is the Public Broadcasting System--noncommercial >> television supported by viewer donations and charitable foundations. > To be more exact > 88% funding from those sources. > 12% funding from our tax

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Samuel W. Heywood
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:28:31 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:00:59 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: >> That said, let's get back to the subject at hand -- the loss of civil >> and human rights in the name of National Security. It's a bit scarey >> > Very scarey and c

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Glenn McCorkle
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:25:18 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote: > On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:28:31 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: >> What is PBS? > In the USA it is the Public Broadcasting System--noncommercial > television supported by viewer donations and charitable foundations. To be more exact 8

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Sam Ewalt
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 20:28:31 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote: > What is PBS? In the USA it is the Public Broadcasting System--noncommercial television supported by viewer donations and charitable foundations. Sam Ewalt Croswell, Michigan, USA -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy,

Re: Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-10 Thread Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ
On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 17:00:59 -0400, L.D. Best wrote: > I finally got babelfish to translate on the 2nd try [after leaving the > Candian JS site called babelfish.com]. That wasn't news to me, because > I'd watched the news on PBS. What is PBS? > For those of you [in the USA] who would like to be

Keeping track of the news [was Re: UT (extreme:): the US and the human rights

2003-01-09 Thread L.D. Best
I finally got babelfish to translate on the 2nd try [after leaving the Candian JS site called babelfish.com]. That wasn't news to me, because I'd watched the news on PBS. For those of you [in the USA] who would like to be exposed to non- American, non-networked news programs, I highly recommend t