[arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)

2014-04-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
know that this will probably upset people's muscle-memory as most people probably have been using these tools for decades. I guess that's not an insurmountable problem for us though? Cheers, Tom -- Forwarded message -- From: Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1

Re: [arch-dev-public] providing grsecurity in [community]

2014-04-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: Users have been asking for MAC to be provided in the repositories for a long time. At the moment, two bugs are open about it: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/37578 https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/39852 Any of these

Re: [arch-dev-public] providing grsecurity in [community]

2014-04-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/04/14 05:25 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: Users have been asking for MAC to be provided in the repositories for a long time. At the moment

Re: [arch-dev-public] providing grsecurity in [community]

2014-04-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: On 19/04/14 05:25 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: In short, work on grsec if you want, but please let's not use that as an excuse to discourage people from working on similar features for the main kernel. For example

Re: [arch-dev-public] providing grsecurity in [community]

2014-04-18 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 6:09 AM, Daniel Micay danielmi...@gmail.com wrote: There has been a recent surge of interest in securing Arch by paying closer attention to CVEs and addressing many security issues in our packages. I also started some initial work/documenting on securing the services

Re: [arch-dev-public] Drop cronie and logrotate from base?

2014-04-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org wrote: On Tue 01, April 20:48:16 Florian Pritz wrote: Moving to extra sounds good. +1 As Gaetan already agreed: +1 from me too. Move it to extra and make it a dep of everything that logs to /var/log by default, optdep for

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Add ARM to archlinux.org

2014-03-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org wrote: On Mon 24, March 15:02:53 Gaetan Bisson wrote: Personally, although I think the AUR is a valuable service and that you shouldn't be assuming its costs and maintenance alone, I'm not sure if making it official would be

Re: [arch-dev-public] Use systemd timers instead of /etc/cron.{hourly, daily, weekly, monthly}?

2014-03-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:01 AM, Gaetan Bisson bis...@archlinux.org wrote: [2014-03-27 21:01:17 -0400] Daniel Micay: setuid binary (crontab) so it opens up a vulnerability in the base install. Among others (although one requires cron to be enabled): *

Re: [arch-dev-public] 3.13 packages in testing

2014-01-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: One major change is coming (and Tom will be happy about it): Keyboard support is entirely modular, even for AT(PS/2) keyboards. Beware that in order to have keyboard input during early boot, you need the 'keyboard'

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] preparing dbus for coexistence with kdbus

2013-12-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Work on kdbus is nearing completion (of a first version at least) and it will soon be submitted upstream. We will also soon have a 'bridge' in systemd between the old libdbus and kdbus. This bridge will conflict with the old

[arch-dev-public] [HEADSUP] Arch boot splash

2013-12-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, I thought I'd let you know that I just pushed a new version of gummiboot to [testing] which now has support for showing a splash-screen at boot [0]. I shipped it with the Arch Linux logo (/usr/lib/gummiboot/splash-arch.bmp), which can be copied to /boot/EFI/gummiboot/splash.bmp if you

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] preparing dbus for coexistence with kdbus

2013-12-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:36 AM, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: On 12/01/2013 03:05 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, Work on kdbus is nearing completion (of a first version at least) and it will soon be submitted upstream. We will also soon have a 'bridge' in systemd

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] preparing dbus for coexistence with kdbus

2013-12-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, Work on kdbus is nearing completion (of a first version at least) and it will soon be submitted upstream. We will also soon have a 'bridge' in systemd between the old libdbus and kdbus. This bridge will conflict with the old dbus daemon, but libdbus will still be around for a long time.

Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: [arch-commits] Commit in (9 files)

2013-11-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Sébastien Luttringer se...@seblu.net wrote: On 27/11/2013 11:35, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 27.11.2013 11:29, schrieb Allan McRae: Please don't do this... 11 line output in post_install. If you REALLY need this, use a single line pointing to the wiki page.

Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: [arch-commits] Commit in (9 files)

2013-11-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Alexander Rødseth rods...@gmail.com wrote: Something like: replaces=('docker=1.5') in the docker-tray PKGBUILD? Isn't that equally problematic, since that could cause problems if docker (currently at version 0.7) reached version 1.5? I guess this could be

Re: [arch-dev-public] [arch-general] Dropping bluez4

2013-11-10 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.org wrote: I've done some work and research on bluez lately. I can confirm my adapters to work with bluez 5.10 and gnome-bluetooth (connecting to headset + smartphone) that has already moved to extra. I couldn't make it work with

Re: [arch-dev-public] lirc kernel drivers

2013-11-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Tobias Powalowski tobias.powalow...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 14.10.2013 14:57, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Hi guys, As lirc package is currently an orphan, I thought I'd had a look at it to see if we can clean it up. Most of the lirc kernel drivers are now

Re: [arch-dev-public] Dropping sysvinit-tools

2013-10-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: The next release of procps-ng will contain pidof and clash with sysvinit-tools. The obvious decision is to use the maintained source of pidof. At this point, we'll be left with 3 binaries in sysvinit-tools, all which I

[arch-dev-public] lirc kernel drivers

2013-10-14 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, As lirc package is currently an orphan, I thought I'd had a look at it to see if we can clean it up. Most of the lirc kernel drivers are now upstream, so we only ship three of them: *) lirc_atiusb: this overlaps with ati_remote [0] which is upstream. This is bad as it means users will

Re: [arch-dev-public] Git

2013-09-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Alexander Rødseth rods...@gmail.com wrote: As I gather, we all like git better than svn, for a long list of reasons. Are there any objections to switching over from svn to git for repositories for the official packages? I'm strongly in favor of git, and would

Re: [arch-dev-public] Git

2013-09-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Connor Behan connor.be...@gmail.com wrote: On 29/09/13 12:25 PM, Alexander R?dseth wrote: Hi, As I gather, we all like git better than svn, for a long list of reasons. Are there any objections to switching over from svn to git for repositories for the

Re: [arch-dev-public] replacing efibootmgr with efibootmgr from peter jones with libefivar support?

2013-09-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Tobias Powalowski tobias.powalow...@googlemail.com wrote: while improving archboot's uefi capabilities, Keshav which wrote most of the UEFI documentation on wiki comes up with this wish to switch to Peter Jones efibootmgr. For explanation for sysfs-efivar

[arch-dev-public] [HEADSUP] util-linux deprecating sysvinit-tools

2013-08-13 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, As you can see below, util-linux-24 will contain most of the tools from sysvinit-tools. I therefore intend to propose that we drop sysvinit-tools once util-linux-24 is out. If anyone have any objections or concerns, this would be the perfect time to speak up, so we can sort out any

[arch-dev-public] [AWAY] until the end of August

2013-08-13 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, Just letting you know that I'll be on holiday (with email, but no signing keys) until the end of this month. Feel free to do whatever is necessary to my packages. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-dev-public] [HEADSUP] util-linux deprecating sysvinit-tools

2013-08-13 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 13.08.2013 16:06, schrieb Thomas Bächler: Am 13.08.2013 15:59, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Hi guys, As you can see below, util-linux-24 will contain most of the tools from sysvinit-tools. I therefore intend

Re: [arch-dev-public] The next LTS

2013-08-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On 6 Aug 2013 01:30, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: We might as well keep 3.10 for another 2 years. For what it is worth, I would really prefer if we only keep each LTS until the next one is out (i.e., one year). The reason being that running new user space on an old kernel is

Re: [arch-dev-public] Syslinux 6.0 released with efi support

2013-06-21 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote: Am 21.06.2013 11:52, schrieb Tobias Powalowski: Hi, my plan for this release will be to replace the syslinux package with syslinux-bios and package the efi part as syslinux-efi package. This will be like the grub

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] move libusb-compat from [core] to [extra]

2013-06-17 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: I'd like to move libusb-compat out of [core], any objections? No other packages in [core] depends on it, but gnupg {opt,make}depends on it. Done. -t

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] moving gummiboot to core

2013-06-17 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi, Tobias and I would like to move gummiboot from [extra] to [core]. For those who don't know, it is a very minimal boot loader for uefi systems [0], currently used on our iso. Any objections? Tom [0]: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gummiboot/

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] move libusb-compat from [core] to [extra]

2013-06-16 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, I'd like to move libusb-compat out of [core], any objections? No other packages in [core] depends on it, but gnupg {opt,make}depends on it. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

2013-06-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: I would like to push Bluez 5 to the repos, and rename Bluez 4 to 'bluez4'. Some things still require Bluez 4, and the two can not be installed together, so this is how I propose to do it. We will have the following packages

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

2013-06-06 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Tobias Powalowski tobias.powalow...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 06.06.2013 07:49, schrieb Jan Alexander Steffens: On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Tobias Powalowski tobias.powalow...@googlemail.com wrote: Please don't move qemu with bluez move. qemu 1.5.0 is a bit

Re: [arch-dev-public] New draft - Was: /usr move - update instructions

2013-06-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: And the news draft: Looks good to me. Time to make the move? -t

Re: [arch-dev-public] New draft - Was: /usr move - update instructions

2013-06-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote: Am 03.06.2013 09:41, schrieb Tom Gundersen: On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: And the news draft: Looks good to me. Time to make the move? Fine with me. Maybe we could also

[arch-dev-public] Junior Devs

2013-06-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, This was brought up a few times, so I'd like some clarification. What restrictions (apart from the possibility of getting the boot, and no read-access to arch-dev) do we put on Junior devs? It used to be that they could not push packages, but that is no longer a technical limitation.

Re: [arch-dev-public] Junior Devs

2013-06-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 03.06.2013 16:37, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Hi guys, This was brought up a few times, so I'd like some clarification. What restrictions (apart from the possibility of getting the boot, and no read-access to arch-dev

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

2013-06-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: I would like to push Bluez 5 to the repos, and rename Bluez 4 to 'bluez4'. Some things still require Bluez 4, and the two can not be installed together, so this is how I propose to do it. We will have the following packages

Re: [arch-dev-public] Finishing the /usr move

2013-05-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: Doing a pacman -Syu gave a conflict as expected. Did not test that pacman -Syu --force failed, because it was on my only working system at the moment. The followed the instructions above. Rebooted at the end for good

Re: [arch-dev-public] Finishing the /usr move

2013-05-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Sébastien Luttringer se...@seblu.net wrote: Why not symlink /usr/local/sbin to /usr/local/bin in filesystems? I think we should do this, but not everyone agrees. As it is independent of the current move, let's discuss it once that has finished. -t

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] new default PATH

2013-05-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, When updating our default PATH in /etc/profile due to the usrmerge I noticed it is not consistent with the system-wide PATH set by PID1. systemd sets: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin which for us is equivalent to /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin but profile

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] new default PATH

2013-05-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: On 05/31/2013 04:04 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, When updating our default PATH in /etc/profile due to the usrmerge I noticed it is not consistent with the system-wide PATH set by PID1. systemd sets

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] dropping LILO?

2013-05-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Tobias Powalowski tobias.powalow...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 16.05.2013 01:20, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Hi guys, I was just going through some of the orphans in the usrmove TODO list and noticed that lilo is one of them. If no one wants to adopt it, perhaps we

Re: [arch-dev-public] Finishing the /usr move

2013-05-30 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:35 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: On 30/05/13 06:23, Eric Bélanger wrote: On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: I'm bored of waiting... so lets do this! What a plans with regard to [staging] in the near future? When

Re: [arch-dev-public] Adding !staticlibs to our default makepkg.conf

2013-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: We discussed removing static libraries for most packages back in March [1]. Now makepkg for pacman-4.1 has an option staticlibs that automatically removes them. Should I make that the default in our makepkg.conf? Sounds

Re: [arch-dev-public] Finishing the /usr move

2013-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: I'm bored of waiting... so lets do this! Please do. I suppose people can still skip staging for packages where that makes sense to minimize the congestion? What a plans with regard to [staging] in the near future? If

Re: [arch-dev-public] Removing glib 1, gtk 1 and qt3

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Giovanni Scafora giova...@archlinux.org wrote: Il 21/05/2013 13:12, Jan Alexander Steffens ha scritto: Greetings everypony, Can we throw out glib 1, gtk 1 and qt3? These are seriously legacy libraries. Check pactree -rs glib and pactree -rs qt3 for

Re: [arch-dev-public] Removing glib 1, gtk 1 and qt3

2013-05-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org wrote: On Wednesday 22 May 2013 10:20:42 Eric Bélanger wrote: Beside the fact that they are old, is there any reason to remove them from the repo? I maintain these threee packages and they are working well (no bug

Re: [arch-dev-public] [arch-commits] Commit in fail2ban/trunk (PKGBUILD)

2013-05-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski b...@bpiotrowski.pl wrote: SMTP forwarders aren't as crucial as bash is, therefore I don't see any reason to revert changes or delay moving binaries to /usr/bin. Just message maintainer that his package is broken due to recent changes. I

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] dropping LILO?

2013-05-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, I was just going through some of the orphans in the usrmove TODO list and noticed that lilo is one of them. If no one wants to adopt it, perhaps we should drop it to the AUR. Or are there any reasons to keep it around? Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-dev-public] [arch-commits] Commit in fail2ban/trunk (PKGBUILD)

2013-05-14 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:37:43PM +0200, Sébastien Luttringer wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski bpiotrow...@nymeria.archlinux.org wrote: Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 @ 22:22:08

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] Bluez 5

2013-05-13 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, I would like to push Bluez 5 to the repos, and rename Bluez 4 to 'bluez4'. Some things still require Bluez 4, and the two can not be installed together, so this is how I propose to do it. We will have the following packages: bluez4: the bluetooth daemon, providing the old dbus

Re: [arch-dev-public] Merging the bin directories

2013-05-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Looks like we are going one step more compared to Fedora right? /bin /sbin /usr/sbin - /usr/bin (Arch Linux) /bin - /usr/bin AND /sbin - /usr/sbin (Fedora) Correct. For what it's worth, I asked the Fedora

Re: [arch-dev-public] Merging the bin directories

2013-05-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 12.05.2013 07:22, schrieb Allan McRae: I have created a TODO list with all packages that have files in /bin, /sbin or /usr/sbin. As the list is fairly long, the first pass will be to adjust as many packages as

Re: [arch-dev-public] Merging the bin directories

2013-05-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Rémy Oudompheng remyoudomph...@gmail.com wrote: Is it safe to move a daemon to /usr/bin where any user can access its binary (e.g. my cups pkg)? Sure... They were not magically hidden when in /usr/sbin. It is even a pain that very useful binaries like ip,

Re: [arch-dev-public] [testing] libtirpc 0.2.3-1 breaks pam_unix

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Evangelos Foutras evange...@foutrelis.com wrote: On 5 May 2013 04:31, Jan Alexander Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: libtirpc 0.2.3-1 breaks pam_unix, making login and su(do) impossible: May 05 03:22:54 philomeena login[24274]: PAM unable to

Re: [arch-dev-public] [testing] libtirpc 0.2.3-1 breaks pam_unix

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Evangelos Foutras evange...@foutrelis.com wrote: On 5 May 2013 04:31, Jan Alexander Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: libtirpc 0.2.3-1 breaks pam_unix, making login and su(do) impossible

Re: [arch-dev-public] [arch-general] [pacman-dev] debug package repositories

2013-04-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
On 15 Apr 2013 15:50, Rashif Ray Rahman sc...@archlinux.org wrote: On 15 April 2013 17:52, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: In fact, I will provide the needed patches for a separate [debug] and [community-debug] repo if that is what is decided to happen. I personally think that is

Re: [arch-dev-public] [arch-general] [pacman-dev] debug package repositories

2013-04-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
support when it comes to having debug packages in a separate repository. On 15 April 2013 15:00, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Couldn't pacman be fixed to only show debug packages in search results when you ask for it with a switch? Maybe something similar could be done for language packages

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] default sysctl settings

2013-04-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, As you may have noticed systemd ships a default sysctl config file as of v199 (/usr/lib/sysctl.d/50-default.conf). Rather than also ship an Arch-specific one (/etc/sysctl.conf), should we try to unify the two? I had a look a the differences: 1) kernel.sysrq: We set it to 'off',

[arch-dev-public] Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] util-linux v2.23-rc1

2013-03-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
For your informawion. Please note that the tunelp tool has been deprecated and is no longer included. If this is a problem, please speak up now. I built and uploaded the release candidate for people to test: https://dev.archlinux.org/~tomegun/. Cheers, Tom -- Forwarded message

Re: [arch-dev-public] BIND10? No, thanks.

2013-03-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Dan McGee dpmc...@gmail.com wrote: host, nslookup, traceroute6- the list of extremely basic sysadmin tools Arch doesn't ship in an easily installable fashion is starting to get rather long. Does util-linux or such provide implementations of the first two that

Re: [arch-dev-public] BIND10? No, thanks.

2013-03-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: glibc ships getent, which can be used to do DNS lookups (getent hosts www.google.com). That said, I don't expect people to know this offhand as an alternative to dig. I'm kind of wary of not shipping *basic* DNS tools

Re: [arch-dev-public] BIND10? No, thanks.

2013-03-20 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org wrote: Am 20.03.2013 14:42, schrieb Tom Gundersen: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Dan McGee dpmc...@gmail.com wrote: host, nslookup, traceroute6- the list of extremely basic sysadmin tools Arch doesn't ship in an easily

[arch-dev-public] FYI: systemd 198

2013-03-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hiscocks, Thomas Hindoe Paaboel Andersen, Tollef Fog Heen, Tom Gundersen, Umut Tezduyar, William Giokas, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. ___ systemd-devel mailing list

Re: [arch-dev-public] [arch-releng] FYI: systemd 198

2013-03-07 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi vmlinuz...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: On 03/07/2013 09:35 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, A new systemd release is out (not yet packaged though), and there are several features which might be of interest to us. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-dev-public] gummiboot-efi still in testing

2013-03-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Tobias Powalowski tobias.powalow...@googlemail.com wrote: somehow gummiboot-efi is still in testing, while gummiboot package is also there. Tom can you look at that and remove it? I'll move gummiboot to [extra] and remove gummiboot-efi everywhere soon. -t

Re: [arch-dev-public] Please provide Info for my talk!

2013-02-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: @Tom: I will ping you with what I got... In fact, you can also have a copy of my talk! Thanks! Disappointingly, I only have responses from 4 devs, 2 TU and 2 users. :(

Re: [arch-dev-public] Please provide Info for my talk!

2013-02-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: I am giving an hour long talk at the end of next week about Arch, how it works and why we are successful. I will focus on stuff I am involved with (i.e. pacman...), but will give examples of things like how we decided on

Re: [arch-dev-public] mesa packaging, libGL handling

2013-02-15 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Laurent Carlier lordhea...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps we could merge: - mesa, khrplatform-devel - libglapi, libgl, libgles - libgbm, libegl Also, the pipe drivers from libgbm should be

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Add Wayland/Weston

2013-02-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.org wrote: Am Sat, 9 Feb 2013 17:35:27 +0100 schrieb Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.org: Since cairo will also depend on that libegl then every system will pull in Wayland. Is this really needed? If we can't build it in a

[arch-dev-public] Bluez5.X

2013-02-12 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, Another update on the Bluez front. I will, as advised by upstream, ship it as a split package, which should hopefully help with the transition. There will be the 'bluez' package containing the bluez and obex daemons, as well as a couple of universally useful tools. Packages that depend

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Add Wayland/Weston

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi Sébastien, Thanks for bringing this up! On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Sébastien Luttringer se...@seblu.net wrote: If the both maintainers agreed to add support, we need to find a gentle developper which can move wayland to extra[5]. I'd be happy to take wayland to extra when the time

Re: [arch-dev-public] kdelibs / docbook-xsl

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
Please someone move it. Im not at home at the moment. T On Feb 8, 2013 12:01 PM, Ike Devolder ike.devol...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Is there something stopping us moving docbook-xsl and co to extra, kdelibs 4.10.0-2 references to is and is already moved to extra thx -- Ike

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Add Wayland/Weston

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Feb 8, 2013 2:56 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On vr, 2013-02-08 at 10:20 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: I appreciate your effort and have no objection against adding Wayland. However, to limit people's enthusiasm about this, I just want to remark that having Wayland

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Add Wayland/Weston

2013-02-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Feb 8, 2013 2:56 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On vr, 2013-02-08 at 10:20 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: I appreciate your effort and have no objection against adding Wayland. However, to limit people's enthusiasm about this, I just want to remark that having Wayland

Re: [arch-dev-public] JAVA_HOME in systemd

2013-02-06 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Feb 6, 2013 3:09 PM, Guillaume ALAUX guilla...@archlinux.org wrote: On 6 February 2013 15:08, Guillaume ALAUX guilla...@archlinux.org wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Leonidas Spyropoulos artafi...@gmail.com Date: 6 February 2013 14:52 Subject: Re:

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Finally dropping initscripts and rc scripts

2013-02-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Dan McGee dpmc...@gmail.com wrote: * s/announced previously/previously announced/ * still using them (instead of 'it') Thanks. Announcement posted. Will create todo and remove packages sometime today. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Finally dropping initscripts and rc scripts

2013-02-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote: No objections. Will you make a TODO list to remove the remaining files in /etc/rc.d? Maybe have a look at /etc/conf.d as well so we finally get consistent here. Will do both. I suggest the following announcement

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] Finally dropping initscripts and rc scripts

2013-02-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: To make our communication with our users clear I suggest we drop initscripts I guess we should also drop 'sysvinit' and only keep 'sysvinit-tools' to avoid any confusion. -t

Re: [arch-dev-public] Silent removal of initscripts?

2013-01-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Dan McGee dpmc...@gmail.com wrote: I know we posted a news item back in November about the deprecation of old school rc.d scripts, but the current silent removal thing is not real cool, and one never knows what package is going to fail to start up next. Last

Re: [arch-dev-public] filesystem package

2013-01-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: Anyway, I say we can just remove post_install from filesystem and reduce the dependencies to only iana-etc Yes please. This has long been on my low-priority TODO. , and then make glibc depend on filesystem. We can assume

Re: [arch-dev-public] Winter Cleanup of [extra]

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Andrea Scarpino and...@archlinux.org wrote: bluez-hcidump I adopted this. It will go away with the next bluez release. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-dev-public] Drop VI from [core] (was Re: [arch-general] Winter Cleanup of [community])

2013-01-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: There is nothing stopping us dropping vi completely and just putting vim on the install media... I'd favor that (as a vim user who always gets confused by vi on the install media). -t

Re: [arch-dev-public] systemd 197 - kdm fails

2013-01-11 Thread Tom Gundersen
I'm using KDE as well, but have not been able to reproduce this problem. Any chance you could get some more debug info out of it? Sounds like something times out... On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Lukas Jirkovsky l.jirkov...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 January 2013 10:27, Thomas Bächler

Re: [arch-dev-public] network interface naming with systemd 197

2013-01-06 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Jan 6, 2013 7:38 PM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: Just an FYI: Upstream pushed a commit[0] which gives network devices persistent, and unique, names based on hardware attributes, avoiding the random kernel names. While this solves a real problem, it's also a fairly jarring

[arch-dev-public] [BlueZ 5.0] minimum kernel version bump

2012-12-26 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, BlueZ 5.0 has been released [0], which is incompatible with 4.X. For this reason I won't be pushing the release until all dependent packages are ready. Once this release is out, it will bump the minimum kernel requirement of BlueZ to 3.4, so users of the LTS kernel should be aware that

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] dbus cleanup

2012-12-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 10:07:06AM +0100, Jan de Groot wrote: On za, 2012-12-01 at 14:45 -0500, Dave Reisner wrote: While we're touching the PKGBUILD, why do we fix the configuration file in the package function? Would

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] dbus cleanup

2012-12-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On za, 2012-12-01 at 14:45 -0500, Dave Reisner wrote: While we're touching the PKGBUILD, why do we fix the configuration file in the package function? Would be nice if we could cleanup the 30-dbus file as well to simply

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] dbus cleanup

2012-12-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: Some fun here... (1/1) removing dbus-core [##] 100% userdel: user dbus is currently used by process 336 groupdel: cannot remove the primary group of user 'dbus' error: command failed to execute

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] dbus cleanup

2012-12-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Dec 3, 2012 2:43 PM, Jan de Groot j...@jgc.homeip.net wrote: On ma, 2012-12-03 at 13:05 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: Any suggestions on how these messages can be avoided? You can't, unless you push an update for dbus-core first... There is no way to enforce that people update dbus-core

[arch-dev-public] [RFC] the future of /media

2012-11-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, With udisks2 being used by gnome, and about to be used by the next KDE, some people have raised concerns about the transition from udisks1 to udisks2. The issue is: udisks1 mounts your devices to /media, whereas udisks2 will mount them to /run/media/$user. There are very good reasons

Re: [arch-dev-public] [RFC] the future of /media

2012-11-22 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: I suggest that we move /media from the filesystem to the udisks package, allowing everyone else to do what they wish locally. I implemented this in the packages in [testing], so people can have a look. Cheers, Tom

Re: [arch-dev-public] Clarity about initscripts and systemd status

2012-11-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: As systemd is now the default init system, Arch Linux is receiving minimal testing on sysvinit/initscripts systems. Due to a lack of resources and interest, sysvinit/initscripts-specific bugs may now be closed as WONT FIX. We

Re: [arch-dev-public] Clarity about initscripts and systemd status

2012-11-04 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Andreas Radke andy...@archlinux.org wrote: Unless there are any objections, I'll put this up soon so I can start closing bugs without feeling bad about it ;-) -t +1 -Andy Done. -t

Re: [arch-dev-public] Clarity about initscripts and systemd status

2012-11-03 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote: * Publish an announcement with the said dates and a link to a migration guide * Support for initscripts can be dropped e.g. end of December. After that packages may drop support; but not before. * rc.d scripts and other

Re: [arch-dev-public] Issues with kernel 3.6.4 on some AMD systems

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote: turns out there was an issue with Linux 3.6.4 on some AMD systems with more than 4GB of RAM. 3.6.5 fixed this bug. Unfortunately this was a little too late for the recent ISO image. I was wondering what was the best way

Re: [arch-dev-public] Fwd: NetworkManager starts dhclient with a bad path to lease file

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: should we change dhcp and dhclient to use /var/lib instead of /var/state? AFAICT it's the only package using the /var/state directory. Context below. Seems reasonable to me. /var/state is not a standard dir afaik, and

[arch-dev-public] libtirpc

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
Hi guys, This is just a note so I/we don't forget: When the next libtirpc release comes out we need to treat it as an soname bump and do a full rebuild. This is due to ABI being introduced in -rc1 and removed in -rc3 (we are currently on -rc2). This was discussed upstream, and the decision was

Re: [arch-dev-public] libtirpc

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Dave Reisner d...@falconindy.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 11:24:01PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi guys, This is just a note so I/we don't forget: When the next libtirpc release comes out we need to treat it as an soname bump and do a full rebuild

Re: [arch-dev-public] Dropping all packages with missing systemd units

2012-10-31 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Alexander Rødseth rods...@gmail.com wrote: I can adopt and add systemd support for noip and pdns if they are orphaned (and pdns is moved to [community]). Pierre, Jan: unless you object I'll move pdns to community so Alexander can take it over. Alexander: Would

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