On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:27 AM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
>
> Currently we use the BIND code base in two packages:
> - dnsutils from [core] provides basic DNS query tools;
> - bind from [extra] is the actual name server.
>
> With the new BIND10 release, the ISC really outdid themselves: all
> formerly
On 22/03/13 22:47, Jan de Groot wrote:
> Gaetan Bisson schreef op 20.03.2013 22:35:
>
>>
>> Good for you. Now I package what I want on my spare time and, if there's
>> a superior and easier-to-maintain alternative, I'm not going to waste
>> any more of my time on a crumbling piece of software just
Jan de Groot schreef op 22.03.2013 13:47:
FYI: I adopted dnsutils.
Maybe you should look into what you're talking about a big more. You
started a complete dig/nslookup -> drill migration based on the fact
that you don't like the build system used in bind10 and the fact that
it's written in C++/P
Gaetan Bisson schreef op 20.03.2013 22:35:
Good for you. Now I package what I want on my spare time and, if
there's
a superior and easier-to-maintain alternative, I'm not going to waste
any more of my time on a crumbling piece of software just because
certain people cannot be bothered to migr
[2013-03-20 18:41:02 +0100] Jan de Groot:
> Any DNS admin, even ones running Windows or PowerDNS, will use standard
> tools like "dig" to check domains. I've been implementing PowerDNS with
> DNSSEC last week, used dig +dnssec a lot to query for DNSSEC stuff.
> Drill doesn't support that, so it's a
On wo, 2013-03-20 at 10:05 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 20.03.2013 04:50, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
> > Consequently, official packages using
> > [dnsutils](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/dnsutils/)
> > were migrated to
> > [ldns](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/ldn
[2013-03-20 09:59:47 -0400] Dave Reisner:
> And no, I don't buy this "I disagree with
> upstream so I'm not shipping it" as an excuse to not only avoid BIND10,
> but drop BIND entirely.
This might not have been cristal clear: BIND has been crap for years.
Not by my personal standards, but by objec
[2013-03-20 15:14:19 +1100] Gaetan Bisson:
> Deprecation of bind and dnsutils
I've just moved dnsutils to [extra] and orphaned it as well as bind.
This announcement is postponed as long as somebody can manage to keep
BIND alive...
--
Gaetan
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 20.03.2013 14:42, schrieb Tom Gundersen:
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Dan McGee wrote:
>>> host, nslookup, traceroute6- the list of extremely basic sysadmin
>>> tools Arch doesn't ship in an easily installable fashion is starting
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Dave Reisner wrote:
> glibc ships getent, which can be used to do DNS lookups (getent hosts
> www.google.com). That said, I don't expect people to know this offhand
> as an alternative to dig.
>
> I'm kind of wary of not shipping *basic* DNS tools which people expe
Am 20.03.2013 14:42, schrieb Tom Gundersen:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Dan McGee wrote:
>> host, nslookup, traceroute6- the list of extremely basic sysadmin
>> tools Arch doesn't ship in an easily installable fashion is starting
>> to get rather long. Does util-linux or such provide implem
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 08:34:46AM -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> > Am 20.03.2013 10:32, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
> >> [2013-03-20 10:25:33 +0100] Thomas Bächler:
> >>> So, drill will give me a page full of useless text instead of simply
> >>> givi
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Dan McGee wrote:
> host, nslookup, traceroute6- the list of extremely basic sysadmin
> tools Arch doesn't ship in an easily installable fashion is starting
> to get rather long. Does util-linux or such provide implementations of
> the first two that until now we ha
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 20.03.2013 10:32, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
>> [2013-03-20 10:25:33 +0100] Thomas Bächler:
>>> So, drill will give me a page full of useless text instead of simply
>>> giving an IP, like host does. I always found dig's output to be way more
Am 20.03.2013 10:32, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
> [2013-03-20 10:25:33 +0100] Thomas Bächler:
>> So, drill will give me a page full of useless text instead of simply
>> giving an IP, like host does. I always found dig's output to be way more
>> than I ever wanted, unless in very special situations.
>
[2013-03-20 10:25:33 +0100] Thomas Bächler:
> So, drill will give me a page full of useless text instead of simply
> giving an IP, like host does. I always found dig's output to be way more
> than I ever wanted, unless in very special situations.
Alright; you can:
- write a three-line drill wrappe
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 19:21:16 Allan McRae wrote:
> On 20/03/13 19:07, Ionut Biru wrote:
> > On 03/20/2013 11:05 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> >> Am 20.03.2013 04:50, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
> >>> Consequently, official packages using
> >>> [dnsutils](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86
[2013-03-20 17:11:19 +0800] Felix Yan:
> I'd +1 for keeping dnsutils 9 as is in the repos for now, if my vote counts :P
There's no vote and "+1"'s are as meaningless as they always were.
Either you have new arguments to contribute to the discussion or you
don't.
--
Gaetan
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[2013-03-20 11:07:34 +0200] Ionut Biru:
> host and dig are tools that I use every day and they are the standard.
>
> i don't see why they should be dropped just because bind (as in the
> server) doesn't suite you well now.
>
> why cannot we keep the tools?
My original message will answer all you
Am 20.03.2013 10:16, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
> [2013-03-20 10:05:17 +0100] Thomas Bächler:
>> I imagine *everyone* expects
>> the 'host' command to exist.
>
> I don't think most people do DNS queries by hand.
Really? I do it often enough.
> And those who do will find `drill` is superior to `host`
On 20/03/13 19:07, Ionut Biru wrote:
> On 03/20/2013 11:05 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Am 20.03.2013 04:50, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
>>> Consequently, official packages using
>>> [dnsutils](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/dnsutils/)
>>> were migrated to
>>> [ldns](https://www.archlinu
[2013-03-20 10:05:17 +0100] Thomas Bächler:
> I imagine *everyone* expects
> the 'host' command to exist.
I don't think most people do DNS queries by hand.
And those who do will find `drill` is superior to `host`; the output
format is different (it's modeled after `dig`) but so what? As we proved
On Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:07:34 Ionut Biru wrote:
> On 03/20/2013 11:05 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> > Am 20.03.2013 04:50, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
> >> Consequently, official packages using
> >> [dnsutils](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/dnsutils/)
> >> were migrated to
> >> [ld
On 03/20/2013 11:05 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 20.03.2013 04:50, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
>> Consequently, official packages using
>> [dnsutils](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/dnsutils/)
>> were migrated to
>> [ldns](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/ldns/),
>> a much
Am 20.03.2013 04:50, schrieb Gaetan Bisson:
> Consequently, official packages using
> [dnsutils](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/dnsutils/)
> were migrated to
> [ldns](https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/ldns/),
> a much nicer library which provides a `drill` command
> tha
[2013-03-19 22:57:31 -0500] Dan McGee:
> This will have add 4 soon-to-be-dead links to packages in a news item,
> which doesn't seem like a great idea. It also links exclusively to one
> architecture. I would not include a single link to anything under
> /packages/, whether these are new or old- yo
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:50 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2013-03-09 13:27:42 +1100] Gaetan Bisson:
>> - We ditch dnsutils and bind out of our repos, unless somebody finds
>> them fun and wants to maintain them in [extra] or [community].
>
> I would like to post the following announcement. Comme
[2013-03-09 13:27:42 +1100] Gaetan Bisson:
> - We ditch dnsutils and bind out of our repos, unless somebody finds
> them fun and wants to maintain them in [extra] or [community].
I would like to post the following announcement. Comments are welcome.
Deprecation of bind and dnsutils
The direct
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 07:05:42PM +1100, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2013-03-09 20:01:22 +0100] Ike Devolder:
> > Just a small question, will we provide migration paths for people using
> > bind as nameserver in their internal networks ?
>
> Do you mean as a caching name server? For this, just instal
[2013-03-09 20:01:22 +0100] Ike Devolder:
> Just a small question, will we provide migration paths for people using
> bind as nameserver in their internal networks ?
Do you mean as a caching name server? For this, just install unbound,
run the daemon service, and you're good to put 127.0.0.1 in re
On Sat, Mar 09, 2013 at 01:27:42PM +1100, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Currently we use the BIND code base in two packages:
> - dnsutils from [core] provides basic DNS query tools;
> - bind from [extra] is the actual name server.
>
> With the new BIND10 release, the ISC really outdid thems
Hi guys,
Currently we use the BIND code base in two packages:
- dnsutils from [core] provides basic DNS query tools;
- bind from [extra] is the actual name server.
With the new BIND10 release, the ISC really outdid themselves: all
formerly standalone tools have been merged and rewritten as a pyth
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