Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread Attila
On Samstag, 30. Mai 2009 15:37 Dan McGee wrote: > I think I can safely speak for most of the developers when I say Arch > will never get in the business of restarting daemons. Ever. If we do > it is a bug, because the implications of it are just too great. Think > about upgrading the httpd package

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] .so bump - icu 4.2

2009-05-30 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
Andreas Radke wrote: > I'm just loading new icu up to testing. This will requiere rebuilds > (from our packages webside): > > * brltty > * go-openoffice > * libflashsupport > * libwebkit > * openoffice-base > * openoffice-base-beta > * openoffice-base-devel > * tin

Re: [arch-general] pidgin memory leak?

2009-05-30 Thread Guilherme M. Nogueira
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen wrote: > Also try msn-pecan to see if maybe that one works better. > > -J WOW! msn-pecan is new to me. I'll give it a try. Thnx =] -- Malformed message exception

Re: [arch-general] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14873

2009-05-30 Thread Baho Utot
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 13:59 +0200, Damjan Georgievski wrote: > >> BTW, what is up with your emails coming in to the mailing list several > >> hours earlier than what you replied to. It is getting annoying... > > > > Don't know. The clock displayed in gnome is right to UTC and local. > > > > I may

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread Allan McRae
Jan de Groot wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 08:37 -0500, Dan McGee wrote: I think I can safely speak for most of the developers when I say Arch will *never* get in the business of restarting daemons. Ever. If we do it is a bug, because the implications of it are just too great. Think about upgr

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread Jan de Groot
On Sat, 2009-05-30 at 08:37 -0500, Dan McGee wrote: > > I think I can safely speak for most of the developers when I say Arch > will *never* get in the business of restarting daemons. Ever. If we do > it is a bug, because the implications of it are just too great. Think > about upgrading the httpd

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread Allan McRae
Dan McGee wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Daenyth Blank wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:28, ludovic coues wrote: Maybe that a PKGBUILD runned solution, could allow to set some pacman's config for this. Like a field " auto-restart_daemon = 1", wich you can set to 0, if you do

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread Dan McGee
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Daenyth Blank wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:28, ludovic coues wrote: >> Maybe that a PKGBUILD runned solution, could allow to set some >> pacman's config for this. >> Like a field " auto-restart_daemon = 1", wich you can set to 0, if you >> don't want. Same

Re: [arch-general] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14873

2009-05-30 Thread Damjan Georgievski
>> BTW, what is up with your emails coming in to the mailing list several >> hours earlier than what you replied to.  It is getting annoying... > > Don't know.  The clock displayed in gnome is right to UTC and local. > > I may have started with my using evolution rather that thunderbird. > I have u

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 05:28, ludovic coues wrote: > Maybe that a PKGBUILD runned solution, could allow to set some > pacman's config for this. > Like a field " auto-restart_daemon = 1", wich you can set to 0, if you > don't want. Same for adding user. > > If the field is to 1, pacman manage it b

Re: [arch-general] depends vs. makedepends

2009-05-30 Thread Allan McRae
Magnus Therning wrote: Allan McRae wrote: Magnus Therning wrote: Allan McRae wrote: [..] As a general rule, you never should use $startdir in a PKGBUILD. Is that written down somewhere? It'd be nice to have a place to refer to when arguing some changes to PKGBUILDs. man PKGBUILD: st

[arch-general] depends vs. makedepends (was: Re: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14873)

2009-05-30 Thread Magnus Therning
Allan McRae wrote: Magnus Therning wrote: Allan McRae wrote: [..] As a general rule, you never should use $startdir in a PKGBUILD. Is that written down somewhere? It'd be nice to have a place to refer to when arguing some changes to PKGBUILDs. man PKGBUILD: startdir was most often us

Re: [arch-general] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14873

2009-05-30 Thread Thomas Bächler
Magnus Therning schrieb: Allan McRae wrote: [..] As a general rule, you never should use $startdir in a PKGBUILD. Is that written down somewhere? It'd be nice to have a place to refer to when arguing some changes to PKGBUILDs. /M You can regularly refer to the prototypes in /usr/share/

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread ludovic coues
> For me it's about 'expectations'. I expect a package manager to manage > packages > (unpack a new one over the old one in a sensible manner) and don't expect it > to > decide what's best for me in terms of what's running or not. I still find it > 100% better to *let me know* that config might hav

Re: [arch-general] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14873

2009-05-30 Thread Allan McRae
Magnus Therning wrote: Allan McRae wrote: [..] As a general rule, you never should use $startdir in a PKGBUILD. Is that written down somewhere? It'd be nice to have a place to refer to when arguing some changes to PKGBUILDs. man PKGBUILD: startdir was most often used in combination wi

Re: [arch-general] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/14873

2009-05-30 Thread Magnus Therning
Allan McRae wrote: [..] As a general rule, you never should use $startdir in a PKGBUILD. Is that written down somewhere? It'd be nice to have a place to refer to when arguing some changes to PKGBUILDs. /M -- Magnus Therning(OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus@therning.org

Re: [arch-general] Fix or not fix? install scriptlets with user handling.

2009-05-30 Thread Jan Spakula
Excerpts from Attila's message of Fr Mai 29 17:42:23 +0200 2009: > And still again i suggest to take a look at other distros where daemons get > restarted without a problem during a upgrade procedure. Sorry, but i find > this rule of "don't restart during the upgrade" a little bit academically.-)