Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
Allan McRae wrote: Signoffs needed for the following packages: filesystem 2009.07-1 initscripts 2009.07-2 (what I tagged as -1 did not shutdown correctly) syslog-ng 3.0.3-2 udev 141-4 Allan For udev missing the last patch for PKGBUILD [#1] in my last-1 comment [#2] And for initscript

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Allan McRae
Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote: Allan McRae wrote: Signoffs needed for the following packages: filesystem 2009.07-1 initscripts 2009.07-2 (what I tagged as -1 did not shutdown correctly) syslog-ng 3.0.3-2 udev 141-4 Allan For udev missing the last patch for PKGBUILD [#1] in my

Re: [arch-general] emacs-cvs do not run after libjpeg updated

2009-07-18 Thread Attila
On Mittwoch, 15. Juli 2009 19:27 Florian Pritz wrote: Get the old libjpeg package, extract it and copy the .so file to /usr/lib. Linking is a no-go. The best solution for working around seems this package from AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=28427 See you, Attila

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Matthew
Dan McGee wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Thomas Bächlertho...@archlinux.org wrote: Allan McRae schrieb: From experience... not necessarily. I got into X without doing that although I had no tty's. But exactly how do we deal with this? Post a new item before the move?

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Matthew schrieb: Although you are correct, I do not think automatically fixing the problem is a good solution here. First, I am not a big fan of the idea of package modifying a core file. Secondly what will happen when a user reinstalls the initscripts? If my memory holds me correctly the

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Loui Chang
On Sat 18 Jul 2009 22:11 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Matthew schrieb: Although you are correct, I do not think automatically fixing the problem is a good solution here. First, I am not a big fan of the idea of package modifying a core file. Secondly what will happen when a user reinstalls

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Matthew
Loui Chang wrote: On Sat 18 Jul 2009 22:11 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Matthew schrieb: Although you are correct, I do not think automatically fixing the problem is a good solution here. First, I am not a big fan of the idea of package modifying a core file. Secondly what will happen

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Matthewpyt...@pyther.net wrote: Loui Chang wrote: On Sat 18 Jul 2009 22:11 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote: Matthew schrieb: Although you are correct, I do not think automatically fixing the problem is a good solution here. First, I am not a big fan of the

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
Loui Chang wrote: Hah. It seems that Arch is turning into one of them user friendly distros where things are automatically configured and all eh Feature request for pacman-4.0: Please add a Clippy like assistant :P __ / \ ___ | | / \ @ @

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Aaron Griffin schrieb: Loui stated it very well. I also agree with Loui. We've always tried to avoid these automatic sed type things. I think a message and a news item should be enough It seems wrong to me to let so many people perform the same step by hand when we could have done it

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread bardo
2009/7/19 Thomas Bächler tho...@archlinux.org: We have to think about what's simpler here: Have a short and safe sed-line in post_upgrade, or have a shitload of users spend their time booting with live CDs and editing files /and opening bugs and shouting in the forums and crying on the mailing

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread André Ramaciotti
I have to agree with pyther. You, devs, have been doing all you can to warn the users. There is the arch-announce mailing list, there are messages from pacman when it installs something that might break others, there is the forum, there are announcements on Arch's home page... Damn! there are even

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Thomas Bächler
Matthew schrieb: What if the post_upgrade() message gives the users the sed command to run? Seems kind of pointless. Who cares about the users? Arch has been a distro that is made the way the developers want it, not the users. The users just reap the benefits of all the developers hard

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 20:09, Loui Changlouipc@gmail.com wrote: Haha. Yeah I just don't want packages to be messing with my configs behind my back. Post a message with a sed command, or a .pacnew file, or something. Don't do it without letting me have that control. That's rude.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Allan McRae
First off, I don't like modifying config files. But, given I did this update and still managed to screw my system up when testing it with a reboot... So it is a question of which I hate more; post install messages or automatically fixing the file. A post install message means that I tell

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 22:01, Allan McRaeal...@archlinux.org wrote: post_install() {  if [ -f /etc/inittab.pacnew ]; then   echo You are being very stupid if you did not take notice of that warning about a .pacnew file  fi } +1 to this solution from me.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Allan McRae
Daenyth Blank wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 22:01, Allan McRaeal...@archlinux.org wrote: post_install() { if [ -f /etc/inittab.pacnew ]; then echo You are being very stupid if you did not take notice of that warning about a .pacnew file fi } +1 to this solution from me. I

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Loui Chang
On Sun 19 Jul 2009 12:01 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: First off, I don't like modifying config files. But, given I did this update and still managed to screw my system up when testing it with a reboot... So it is a question of which I hate more; post install messages or automatically fixing

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Matthew
Allan McRae wrote: First off, I don't like modifying config files. But, given I did this update and still managed to screw my system up when testing it with a reboot... So it is a question of which I hate more; post install messages or automatically fixing the file. A post install message

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 23:03, Matthewpyt...@pyther.net wrote: Could someone please enlighten me why you and Thomas want to please the users that complain? I simply do not understand. You said yourself that you don't like modifying config files, so don't. To hell with the users that don't like

[arch-general] What to do about the blender package?

2009-07-18 Thread Sven-Hendrik Haase
Dear Arch Devs, I'm reposting this mail to arch-general because I was ignored on arch-dev-public. I wonder what should be done about the blender package in [extra]. The package hasn't been updated for quite some time (it is correctly marked out-of-date), a few bug reports have been filed for

Re: [arch-general] What to do about the blender package?

2009-07-18 Thread Allan McRae
Sven-Hendrik Haase wrote: Dear Arch Devs, I'm reposting this mail to arch-general because I was ignored on arch-dev-public. You can not post to arch-dev-public so your message was not ignored, we just never saw it. I wonder what should be done about the blender package in [extra].

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] vc/* - tty* transition

2009-07-18 Thread Aaron Griffin
Holy hell this is out of control. Here's the two sides, boiled down: * Use an automatic sed to prevent people from complaining * Post a news item and let people do it manually. As we can tell from this thread, people are going to bitch either way - making the 'no bitching' argument a little