Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Jeroen Op 't Eynde
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:08:29 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time? I've been following this thread off an on. Great to see you having an opinion and standing up for it, the s

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Friday 04 December 2009 08:08:03 Arvid Picciani wrote: > Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > What does upstream have to say about this dependency? Does not seem > > 'necessary' to me > > http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/ > > priceless finding. > > let me sum up: > " >

[arch-general] turn mc into a 'SuperTool' enable 'Lynx-like motion'

2009-12-03 Thread David C. Rankin
Guys, No doubt most of you already know, but I just figured it out. If you use (or want to try) 'mc' (midnight commander), then try it with the configuration option 'Lynx-like motion' enabled. It makes mc a dream to use. No more scrolling back to the top of a directory tree to go up the directo

[arch-general] Making a PHP package with the embed SAPI

2009-12-03 Thread Brendan Long
So a while ago I wanted to get a working phc package for Arch and I eventually got it working, but right now it relies on you installing php with the configuration set with ./configure --enable-embed --prefix=/opt [other options] because I don't want to mess up the default php install, and I can't

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Brendan Long wrote: > >> Let me illustrate the problem here by construction an argument with a >> similar flaw: >> >> "The mouse is inflexible and should be deprecated, as a stylus has the >> advantage of being cordless. All modern pointing devices should be >> cord

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Brendan Long
> Let me illustrate the problem here by construction an argument with a > similar flaw: > > "The mouse is inflexible and should be deprecated, as a stylus has the > advantage of being cordless. All modern pointing devices should be > cordless and i think these mouse users are just from the 60s

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 14:00 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > For a thread with subject "peaceful" this has really gone downhill. > > Anyway, I doubt anybody that "matters" in terms of making decisions > around here is still reading this. I only read the last couple of > emails out of some sort of mo

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Qt 4.6.0

2009-12-03 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
Arvid Picciani wrote: > Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote: >> Maybe is related to this (not sure, I didn't a deep research) >> >> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-4958 >> >> Under qt-4.5.3: >> $ ./qt >> point size: 10 -> 12.75 >> point size: 12 -> 15 >> >> But under qt-4.6.0: >> $ ./qt

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Allan McRae
For a thread with subject "peaceful" this has really gone downhill. Anyway, I doubt anybody that "matters" in terms of making decisions around here is still reading this. I only read the last couple of emails out of some sort of morbid curiosity... Allan

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 04:36 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > > Arvid Picciani wrote: > >> It's done. All i want is to settle this in a useful way. > > Nathan Wayde wrote: > > I originally identified you as a poisonous person and you just keep > > confirming my theory. > > a I found a problem > b I

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Arvid Picciani wrote: It's done. All i want is to settle this in a useful way. Nathan Wayde wrote: I originally identified you as a poisonous person and you just keep confirming my theory. a I found a problem b I made aware of the problem c I have provided patches d I have provided package

Re: [arch-general] 2.6.29 config

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
2009/12/4 Ng Oon-Ee : > The config for a 64-bit kernel does have a few very important > differences right at the top, as I recall. Been a while since I looked > at the config files though. Ops, thanks for the correction! -- A: Because it obfuscates the reading. Q: Why is top posting so bad? ---

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Correct me if i'm wrong, but i read that as: > > " > - THe argument is valid > - but irrelevant because the positive side is some feature no one needs. > " You're clearly putting words in my mouth. I didn't said your argument was valid, rat

Re: [arch-general] 2.6.29 config

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:31 -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Caleb Cushing > wrote: > > where can I get find the configs for older kernels? specifically 2.6.29? > > http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/packages/kernel26/repos/core-i686/ > > If you click in Vie

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Nathan Wayde
On 03/12/09 23:49, Arvid Picciani wrote: Heiko Baums wrote: Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this distro. This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these users are not welcome

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: 2009/12/4 Arvid Picciani : http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/ priceless finding. let me sum up: " - There is feature X which works very well - He discovered it doesn't use dbus. - He starts work on a very complicated patch tha

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
2009/12/4 Arvid Picciani : > http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/ > > priceless finding. > > let me sum up: > " > - There is feature X which works very well > - He discovered it doesn't use dbus. > - He starts work on a very complicated patch that makes it use dbu

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Nathan Wayde
On 04/12/09 02:27, Arvid Picciani wrote: [...] Let me illustrate the problem here by construction an argument with a similar flaw: "The mouse is inflexible and should be deprecated, as a stylus has the advantage of being cordless. All modern pointing devices should be cordless and i think these

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > What does upstream have to say about this dependency? Does not seem > 'necessary' to me http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/ priceless finding. let me sum up: " - There is feature X which works very well - He discovered it doesn't use dbus.

Re: [arch-general] 2.6.29 config

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Caleb Cushing wrote: > where can I get find the configs for older kernels? specifically 2.6.29? http://repos.archlinux.org/wsvn/packages/kernel26/repos/core-i686/ If you click in View Log you can see all changes of the file. That is for the 32 bits repository. Ma

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:04:16PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: The *Kit family maybe could be replaced by a good set of ACLs, but even that can be problematic, as not all the concepts that are configured by PolicyKit or ConsoleKit are files. And the Unix security model of Users/Groups

[arch-general] 2.6.29 config

2009-12-03 Thread Caleb Cushing
where can I get find the configs for older kernels? specifically 2.6.29? -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:07 PM, wrote: >> (about XML) With time, you end up grasping it >> as you do with normal text. > > That's no reason to accept it. With time you would > adjust to being tortured each day at 6PM as well. :) > I don't agree. There's lots of blind belief, ignorance, >

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Ty John
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 00:31:39 + Pierre Chapuis wrote: > Le Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:33:38 +1030, > Ty John a écrit : > > > I don't really understand what this project does other than being > > able to execute Plan 9 binaries. > > What's the point then? > > The point is to have a Plan 9 userspace o

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread fons
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 10:04:16PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > ... (though I remember from Linux Audio Users list that you > don't like Qt too :)) It is completely irrelevant if I like it or not. If dbus is intended for 'general use' it should use C types, not those of whatever toolki

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Heiko Baums wrote: So why do you continue ranting about Arch? I tried not to. All i wanted is a clear cut, but i think i'm alone with that wish, so i'll stop beating it. You're the ones who'll have to deal with this procedure over and over again (not with me. no worries) -- Arvid Asgaard

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Pierre Chapuis
Le Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:33:38 +1030, Ty John a écrit : > I don't really understand what this project does other than being able > to execute Plan 9 binaries. > What's the point then? The point is to have a Plan 9 userspace on the Linux kernel (which is maintained and mainstream), instead of the GN

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Qt 4.6.0

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote: Maybe is related to this (not sure, I didn't a deep research) http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-4958 Under qt-4.5.3: $ ./qt point size: 10 -> 12.75 point size: 12 -> 15 But under qt-4.6.0: $ ./qt point size: 10 -> 16.67 point size: 12 -> 20

Re: [arch-general] Setting LD_PRELOAD cripples Firefox

2009-12-03 Thread ndlarsen
James Rayner wrote: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435683 I've had the same issue with libetc. Great, another +1 year old bug, the number, seems to increase. Thanks, though. /ndlarsen

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Qt 4.6.0

2009-12-03 Thread Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi
Lukáš Jirkovský wrote: > 2009/12/2 Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi : > >>> De: Attila >>> Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi wrote: >>> >>> Installed here (i686 at this moment). Font looks a bit >>> bigger than with >>> previus qt. >>> Do you have a vertical LCD d

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Ng Oon-Ee wrote: have to say about this dependency? what i didn't mention, but is apparantly nessesary, is that i was actually deep involved into the whole foodchain of kde and gnome before they started acting like kids and thought they need to copy windows for the greater good. The Gedit

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:55 PM, wrote: > - It uses glib types instead of the plain C ones. >  So it smells GNOME from the start. Why should >  an app that has nothing to do with GNOME be >  forced to use its headers ? DBus as a protocol is language independent. It defines the format the types mu

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Ty John
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:58:08 + Pierre Chapuis wrote: > Le Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:41:26 -0200, > Denis A. Altoé Falqueto a écrit : > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > > > Aaron Griffin wrote: > > > "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, > > > poo

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:49:14 +0100 schrieb Arvid Picciani : > This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these > users are not welcome. I want to move on, so we can split up the user > bases. Ultimately so both sides can continue their life without the > constant (and i'm mea

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:52 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Pierre Chapuis wrote: > > > Take gedit for example. It is a text editor, and: > > > > [23:44 TA|catwell] ldd $(which gedit) | grep dbus > > libdbus-glib-1.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 > > (0x7f5df48bb000) > >

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:49 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Heiko Baums wrote: > > > Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess > > you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this > > distro. > > This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Pierre Chapuis wrote: Take gedit for example. It is a text editor, and: [23:44 TA|catwell] ldd $(which gedit) | grep dbus libdbus-glib-1.so.2 => /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 (0x7f5df48bb000) libdbus-1.so.3 => /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 (0x7f5df467c000) AFAIK i

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Dwight Schauer
2009/12/3 Arvid Picciani : > Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > >> I actually think the you've been over-focusing on a single part of the >> 'arch way', that its 'all about' minimalism. > > then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about minimalism. > >> Throughout this thread the vibe I've been gettin

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Pierre Chapuis
Le Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:58:25 +0100, Xavier a écrit : > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Pierre Chapuis wrote: > > > > I like D-Bus because it can actually simplify the applications that > > rely on it and avoid reiventing the wheel. But I do agree that > > applications that *don't* need to communi

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Heiko Baums wrote: Show me a more minimalist distribution than Arch and Gentoo. I guess you won't find one. And if you did I suggest you switching to this distro. This is the entire reason i want arch to officialy state that these users are not welcome. I want to move on, so we can split up t

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:08:29 +0100 schrieb Arvid Picciani : > then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about > minimalism. This statement shouldn't be removed. Minimalism doesn't mean that no optional features are compiled into a package. Minimalism also doesn't mean that every pack

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:28 PM, wrote: > I'd suggest to tell those who want a bloated system with > lots of useless dependencies to move to Ubuntu or Fedora > so everybody can stop wasting his/her time. I wouldn't go that far. That kind of attitude is what derails the conversation. Again, simpli

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Sébastien Leblanc wrote: Please, stop filling my inbox with useless junk. Please use the kill thread option of your MUA. Messages like this aren't helping anyone, and are especcialy not helping to minimize the thread length. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
Please, stop filling my inbox with useless junk.

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:08:29AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time? Bad spelling and foul language. Yeah once again i fail at not offending a

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
2009/12/3 Ng Oon-Ee : > Arch is what you make it. I think you nailed it. I always thought the Arch Way as a principle, not a rule. We're not a religion, neither a nation. The few rules we have are for the well of the community, so that it can go forward without losing time with nitpicking. The Ar

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread fons
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:08:29AM +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Please, can we stop beating it now, and just officialy tell > minimalists to fuck off so everyone can stop wasting their time? Bad spelling and foul language. I'd suggest to tell those who want a bloated system with lots of useles

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Ng Oon-Ee wrote: I actually think the you've been over-focusing on a single part of the 'arch way', that its 'all about' minimalism. then i suggest we remove the statement that it is all about minimalism. Throughout this thread the vibe I've been getting for you is that you somehow feel disa

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 22:55 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:29:51AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > > Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate > > with other programs. dbus is just another way to do it that has a > > smell of "architectur

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Pierre Chapuis
Le Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:41:26 -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto a écrit : > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > > Aaron Griffin wrote: > > "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – > > Henry Spencer > > "And those who do understand it are doomed to

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 23:23 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: > >> Allan McRae wrote: > >> > >>> I personally think your mis-reading the "Arch Way". > > > > So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I > > thought we had been through that many, many times. > > > Can we, i

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Aaron Griffin wrote: > "Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly." – > Henry Spencer "And those who do understand it are doomed to implement it right, that's why there is Plan 9." - Me. :) (For those who don't kn

Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules -> Gone?? (kernel bug?)

2009-12-03 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
> > > > Thanks again DR. Next time, just send me back the following link: > > http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ > haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better >

Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-03 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
That mplayer with ascii was a joke :)...not a serious comment. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Piyush P Kurur wrote: > On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:54:10AM +0530, Raghavendra Prabhu wrote: > > One thing I don't understand here is - why people crib that package B > should > > not have feature X. I

[arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify "the arch way" to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Allan McRae wrote: I personally think your mis-reading the "Arch Way". So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I thought we had been through that many, many times. Can we, independently of the technical details of dbus, agree all, that I and some other people

Re: [arch-general] conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-03 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
There is customizepkg in AUR which can greatly simplify and help. I agree that it is not practical to build everything(otherwise it will be a gentoo). However,what i have seen is dependencies are like A->B->C and C gets A added sometimes as dependency, in which case recompiling B alone should h

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
Yeah, XML configuration sucks..(reason for me not using Openbox). Regarding 'kit' family, it originated from Fedora.. In new Fedora 12, they have added few more of those kits(like PackageKit)... :)... One of the reasons these things got added by default maybe that majority of RedHat/Fedora/Ubunt

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread fons
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 11:29:51AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: > Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate > with other programs. dbus is just another way to do it that has a > smell of "architecture astronomy" - as if they all scoffed at the > actual ways to do IPC on v

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
I never had dbus crashing anytime.. Regarding communication channels - there are two types in dbus - one is system and other is userland.. So dbus provided something for userland apps which could not use IPC for some reason. Another main reason as pointed above, it is general pub/sub system - whic

Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)

2009-12-03 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Robert Howard wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > >> The only change you made is to disable the hal >> stuff? The sole reason I still have an xorg.conf is so I can turn that >> option (AutoAddDevices) off. X detects my machine just fine e

Re: [arch-general] Setting LD_PRELOAD cripples Firefox

2009-12-03 Thread James Rayner
On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:57 +0100, "ndlarsen" wrote: > Mojn. > > Strange issue here. Intended to use libtrash on my system. I added > export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libtrash.so.3.2 to /etc/profile to set it > systemwide, LD_PRELOAD pointing to /usr/lib/libtrash.so.3.2 is needed in > order to get l

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 12/03/2009 12:29 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate with other programs. dbus is just another way to do it that has a smell of "architecture astronomy" - as if they all scoffed at the actual ways to do IPC on various Unicies and said "

Re: [arch-general] ArchLinux AntiDesktop (was: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises)

2009-12-03 Thread Robert Howard
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > The only change you made is to disable the hal > stuff? The sole reason I still have an xorg.conf is so I can turn that > option (AutoAddDevices) off. X detects my machine just fine except for > that. > > Since when does xorg support automatic

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Xavier
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Pierre Chapuis wrote: > > I like D-Bus because it can actually simplify the applications that > rely on it and avoid reiventing the wheel. But I do agree that > applications that *don't* need to communicate with other applications > have no reason to be linked again

[arch-general] Setting LD_PRELOAD cripples Firefox

2009-12-03 Thread ndlarsen
Mojn. Strange issue here. Intended to use libtrash on my system. I added export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libtrash.so.3.2 to /etc/profile to set it systemwide, LD_PRELOAD pointing to /usr/lib/libtrash.so.3.2 is needed in order to get libtrash to work - and it did. Here's the bummer, though. Doing s

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 12/03/2009 01:19 PM, Nathan Wayde wrote: On 03/12/09 18:14, Arvid Picciani wrote: - most software depending on it, will crash when dbus crashes, or fail to start uncracefully, or behave unexpected. i've honestly never seen dbus crash +1. Ever. DR

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:32:46 + Pierre Chapuis wrote: > There is indeed a D-Bus protocol [1], and I don't see why anybody > would be against that, because a protocol is a written document and > not a piece of software: it doesn't enforce an implementation. > protocols can be bloated and or b

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Pierre Chapuis
Le Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:05:18 -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto a écrit : > In fact, DBus is implemented over Unix sockets. FIFOs and sockets > don't define the format that will be used over them, they are just > channels of communication. DBus is a wire protocol, as they say in the > home page. It de

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > Actually, I'm mistaken about DBus using unix sockets. In fact, I'm not > sure if it's true. I'm searching about it right now. Indeed, I was right [1]. The default transport channel are Unix domain sockets, but there are unencrypted

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:11 PM, André Ramaciotti da Silva wrote: > I didn't know that. Thanks for clarification. :) Actually, I'm mistaken about DBus using unix sockets. In fact, I'm not sure if it's true. I'm searching about it right now. -- A: Because it obfuscates the reading. Q: Why is top

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread André Ramaciotti da Silva
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 05:05:18PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM, André Ramaciotti da Silva > wrote: > > I believe these aren't the 'other IPC mechanisms' they were talking about. > > What about FIFOs and sockets? > > In fact, DBus is implemented over Unix

Re: [arch-general] Unable to Install Arch on Server

2009-12-03 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Am Mittwoch 02 Dezember 2009 schrieb Heiko Baums: > Am Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:59:24 -0500 > > schrieb Carlos Williams : > > I have a Dell server (Power Edge 1855) blade that I am trying to > > install Arch Linux on. I have no problems installing / running Debian, > > CentOS, or Ubuntu on this hardware

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:53 PM, André Ramaciotti da Silva wrote: > I believe these aren't the 'other IPC mechanisms' they were talking about. > What about FIFOs and sockets? In fact, DBus is implemented over Unix sockets. FIFOs and sockets don't define the format that will be used over them, they

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread André Ramaciotti da Silva
On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 04:42:25PM -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > (...) > 4. There are other IPC mechanisms > > Yes, there are. But I think that each one has some drawbacks too. > CORBA, for example, is too heavy for simple use (Gnome developers can > tell a good story about that). XMLRPC

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Arvid Picciani wrote: [...] Well, let's see: 1. DBus has an user space daemon I _think_ that this eases the transition of messages between the applications and the user space bus. This also happens with Jack Audio Connection Kit. Indeed, clients can't connect to

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Nathan Wayde wrote: what does any of that have to do with dbus in a technical sense? There are multiple incorrect answers to this. I'm going to chicken out of this argument, until someone proofreads my essay on this topic. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Nathan Wayde
On 03/12/09 18:14, Arvid Picciani wrote: [...] I'll add some additional points: - it's implementation is large broken. how so? - most software depending on it, will crash when dbus file bug reports and get developers to write proper software. crashes, or fail to start uncracefully, or behave

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Aaron Griffin wrote: Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate with other programs. and those don't require a user space daemon. dbus is just another way to do it that has a smell of "architecture astronomy" - as if they all scoffed at the actual ways to do IPC on

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Ciprian Dorin, Craciun
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Felipe Tanus wrote: >>       Aaron didn't give any tech reason in his answear, and i don't >> think someone will do, except the one you already said at your first >> e-mail(no network). People who don

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Felipe Tanus wrote: >       Aaron didn't give any tech reason in his answear, and i don't > think someone will do, except the one you already said at your first > e-mail(no network). People who don't like DBus find it just > unecessary. I like DBus because I belive

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Felipe Tanus
2009/12/3 Aaron Griffin : > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto > wrote: >> Hi, fellow archers. >> >> I've created a new email with a new subject, so that who wants to >> ignore this completely, can do it easily. >> >> The recent past discussions about DBus got me thinking abo

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: > Hi, fellow archers. > > I've created a new email with a new subject, so that who wants to > ignore this completely, can do it easily. > > The recent past discussions about DBus got me thinking about an > unanswered question: what is

[arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-03 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
Hi, fellow archers. I've created a new email with a new subject, so that who wants to ignore this completely, can do it easily. The recent past discussions about DBus got me thinking about an unanswered question: what is technically wrong with DBus? After some time researching about that, I can't

Re: [arch-general] How to change some setting of gdm under xfce4

2009-12-03 Thread ndlarsen
大熊 wrote: I use xfce4+gdm, and want to have a auto-login Google result show I can directly modify the /etc/gdm/custom.conf Is there a xfce's GUI App achieve the same work? AFAIK there's no configuration gui available for the current version of GDM. Edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf to contain this:

Re: [arch-general] How to change some setting of gdm under xfce4

2009-12-03 Thread Michael Wigren
I like having the GUI option too, but this is an easy fix. Your /etc/gdm/custom.conf should look something like this: *** [daemon] AutomaticLoginEnable=true AutomaticLogin=user_that_will_be_logged_in [xdmcp] *** On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 18:03 +0800

Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-03 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:04:23 +0100 schrieb Arvid Picciani : > Heiko Baums wrote: > > > Do you know what a bug report is and what it is for? > > http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5545 > > this is an upstream bug, and a workaround inaproppriate to apply to > archs main repo, as i said.

Re: [arch-general] Problem updating system

2009-12-03 Thread Dan McGee
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Axel Müller wrote: > Am Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:41:05 +0530 schrieb Shridhar Daithankar: > >> Following is my /etc/pacman.conf >> --- [options] >> HoldPkg=pacman glibc >> SyncFirst=pacman >> >> [core] >> #Include=/

Re: [arch-general] wiki email confirmation won't confirm

2009-12-03 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Arvid Picciani wrote: > Hey, > i'm trying to sign up for the wiki, > the confirmation link yields a page that says: > > "Your e-mail address has now been confirmed." > > > though in the account preferences remains: > > > "Your e-mail address is not yet authenticate

Re: [arch-general] Problem updating system

2009-12-03 Thread Axel Müller
Am Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:41:05 +0530 schrieb Shridhar Daithankar: > Following is my /etc/pacman.conf > --- [options] > HoldPkg=pacman glibc > SyncFirst=pacman > > [core] > #Include=/etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist > Server=ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/p

Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Heiko Baums wrote: Do you know what a bug report is and what it is for? http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-5545 this is an upstream bug, and a workaround inaproppriate to apply to archs main repo, as i said. Please read mails entirely and assume good faith and intelligence, as i t

Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-03 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:41:27 +0100 schrieb Arvid Picciani : > as an example. do you follow the irc channel? > Somone just triggered the qgtkstyle bug that makes it assert when you > dont run dbus and gconf. But you can't do that, as it conflicts with > other software. > fixing the bug on the ot

Re: [arch-general] How to change some setting of gdm under xfce4

2009-12-03 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 16:59 +0800, 大熊 wrote: > I use xfce4+gdm, and want to have a auto-login > > Google result show I can directly modify the /etc/gdm/custom.conf > > Is there a xfce's GUI App achieve the same work? Haven't used gdm in a while. Couldn't you use slim? Figure that would be easier

Re: [arch-general] [*] Re: conclusion: Another rant on arch way abuse and false promises

2009-12-03 Thread Arvid Picciani
Heiko Baums wrote: If yes hal/dbus wouldn't do any harm, too. Nobody detains you from using the keyboard. Just for the sake of proving the legatimicity of this project for those who still didnt get it: as an example. do you follow the irc channel? Somone just triggered the qgtkstyle bug t

[arch-general] How to change some setting of gdm under xfce4

2009-12-03 Thread 大熊
I use xfce4+gdm, and want to have a auto-login Google result show I can directly modify the /etc/gdm/custom.conf Is there a xfce's GUI App achieve the same work?