Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify the arch way to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-04 Thread Lukáš Jirkovský
2009/12/3 Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org: Allan McRae wrote: I personally think your mis-reading the Arch Way. So another person who mistakes the use of simplicity for minimalism. I thought we had been through that many, many times. Can we, independently of the technical details of dbus,

Re: [arch-general] peaceful suggestion to clarify the arch way to avoid this to happen AGAIN

2009-12-04 Thread Sébastien Leblanc
Arvid: Linux from scratch.

Re: [arch-general] How to change some setting of gdm under xfce4

2009-12-04 Thread 大熊
2009/12/3 ndlarsen use...@ionline.dk: 大熊 wrote: I use xfce4+gdm, and want to have a auto-login Google result show I can directly modify the /etc/gdm/custom.conf Is there a xfce's GUI App achieve the same work? AFAIK there's no configuration gui available for the current version of GDM.

Re: [arch-general] How to change some setting of gdm under xfce4

2009-12-04 Thread 大熊
2009/12/3 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 16:59 +0800, 大熊 wrote: Haven't used gdm in a while. Couldn't you use slim? Figure that would be easier. Does Slim support I18N, I want to a Chinses Translation. If so, I will throw away GDM :)

Re: [arch-general] How to change some setting of gdm under xfce4

2009-12-04 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 17:57 +0800, 大熊 wrote: 2009/12/3 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 16:59 +0800, 大熊 wrote: Haven't used gdm in a while. Couldn't you use slim? Figure that would be easier. Does Slim support I18N, I want to a Chinses Translation. If so, I will

Re: [arch-general] 2.6.29 config

2009-12-04 Thread Xavier
2009/12/4 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:31 -0200, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: where can I get find the configs for older kernels? specifically 2.6.29?

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Jan de Groot
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 03:38 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Ng Oon-Ee wrote: What does upstream have to say about this dependency? Does not seem 'necessary' to me http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/ priceless finding. let me sum up: - There is

Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)

2009-12-04 Thread ludovic coues
2009/12/3 Raghavendra Prabhu raghu.prabh...@gmail.com haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better It is not Do that Friendly Google ? : ) -- Cordialement, Coues Ludovic 06 148 743 42 -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Jan de Groot
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 19:14 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Mechanisms have existed for like 20 years before dbus to communicate with other programs. and those don't require a user space daemon. You're talking crap. Examples of other IPC frameworks are bonobo and dcop. Both launched the

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Jan de Groot
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:52 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Pierre Chapuis wrote: Take gedit for example. It is a text editor, and: [23:44 TA|catwell] ldd $(which gedit) | grep dbus libdbus-glib-1.so.2 = /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 (0x7f5df48bb000)

Re: [arch-general] Unable to Install Arch on Server

2009-12-04 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:09:36 +0100 schrieb Tobias Powalowski t.p...@gmx.de: You could try archboot isos linked here: ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/iso/archboot This iso boots fine. But this doesn't fix the problem with the other isos. ;-) And the previous core and netinstall LiveCDs (2009.02 and

[arch-general] coreutils 8.1 major problem

2009-12-04 Thread Lukáš Jirkovský
Hi everyone, I've just noticed coreutils 8.1 in [testing] repo and I think I should warn you. Unfortunatelly it has one quite bad regression which can break quite many scripts. There is a change in rm command (it's fixed in git repository) that when you try to remove it immediately exits without

Re: [arch-general] coreutils 8.1 major problem

2009-12-04 Thread Thomas Bächler
Lukáš Jirkovský schrieb: Hi everyone, I've just noticed coreutils 8.1 in [testing] repo and I think I should warn you. Unfortunatelly it has one quite bad regression which can break quite many scripts. There is a change in rm command (it's fixed in git repository) that when you try to remove

Re: [arch-general] coreutils 8.1 major problem

2009-12-04 Thread Daenyth Blank
2009/12/4 Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, I've just noticed coreutils 8.1 in [testing] repo and I think I should warn you. Unfortunatelly it has one quite bad regression which can break quite many scripts. You should file on our bug tracker too.

Re: [arch-general] Help - Sound Disappeared -- Really! All modules - Gone?? (kernel bug?)

2009-12-04 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
It depends on what you put for F in RTFM,same thing in DTFG. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:57 PM, ludovic coues cou...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/3 Raghavendra Prabhu raghu.prabh...@gmail.com haha... I think we may soon see RTFM replacing DTFG(Do the F* Googling) or something better It is

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Arvid Picciani
Arvid Picciani wrote: Sounds like either this discussion is worth discussing again. i forgot to add: or you're a rare exception, Jan. thanks for at least trying to see the point here, much aprechiated. i hope others follow. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 12/04/2009 07:24 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 03:38 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: Ng Oon-Ee wrote: What does upstream have to say about this dependency? Does not seem 'necessary' to me http://blogs.igalia.com/itoral/2006/03/30/adding-dbus-support-to-gedit/ priceless

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Smith Dhumbumroong
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:07:24 +0100 Arvid Picciani a...@exys.org wrote: Arvid Picciani wrote: Sounds like either this discussion is worth discussing again. i forgot to add: or you're a rare exception, Jan. thanks for at least trying to see the point here, much aprechiated. i hope others

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread fons
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 02:09:49PM -0500, David Rosenstrauch wrote: The answer to *that* question, as he wrote, is so that when you start a second Gedit process, it opens a new tab in your current Gedit window instead of creating a new one. And why should that happen at all ? If I wanted a

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 12/04/2009 03:50 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 02:09:49PM -0500, David Rosenstrauch wrote: The answer to *that* question, as he wrote, is so that when you start a second Gedit process, it opens a new tab in your current Gedit window instead of creating a new one.

Re: [arch-general] coreutils 8.1 major problem

2009-12-04 Thread Allan McRae
Lukáš Jirkovský wrote: 2009/12/4 Daenyth Blank daenyth+a...@gmail.com: 2009/12/4 Lukáš Jirkovský l.jirkov...@gmail.com: Hi everyone, I've just noticed coreutils 8.1 in [testing] repo and I think I should warn you. Unfortunatelly it has one quite bad regression which can break quite many

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:11:08 +0100 schrieb f...@kokkinizita.net: It is not beside the point. To create a new tab, just provide a 'New Tab' button. Or have tabs from the start and label the next free one '+'. It doesn't require IPC at all. You're not forced to using gedit. If you don't like

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 12/04/2009 04:11 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 04:02:06PM -0500, David Rosenstrauch wrote: But this is besides the point. There's legitimate functionality here that requires the use of dbus (or something similar). Whether you personally *like* that functionality

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Xavier
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:59 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: Here's a common use case (and probably the reason why that feature got added in the first place): You're looking through your file manager at a directory full of text documents, and you double-click on whole a bunch

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread fons
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 10:55:32PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:11:08 +0100 schrieb f...@kokkinizita.net: It is not beside the point. To create a new tab, just provide a 'New Tab' button. Or have tabs from the start and label the next free one '+'. It doesn't require

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Allan McRae
Xavier wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:59 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net wrote: Here's a common use case (and probably the reason why that feature got added in the first place): You're looking through your file manager at a directory full of text documents, and you double-click on

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Dwight Schauer
gedit --help shows --new-window. I don't see what issue is Dwight On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: Am Fri, 4 Dec 2009 23:38:02 +0100 schrieb f...@kokkinizita.net: THAT is completely irrelevant. I never claimed to be forced to use it. THAT is

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Jan de Groot
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 19:49 +0100, Arvid Picciani wrote: and if you're really unlucky you get dbus to crash hal to crash your gfx driver, so your only option left is the power button. Please don't post things you haven't looked into. Hal has nothing to do with your gfx driver, as gfx drivers

Re: [arch-general] Unable to Install Arch on Server

2009-12-04 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Am Freitag 04 Dezember 2009 schrieb Heiko Baums: Am Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:09:36 +0100 schrieb Tobias Powalowski t.p...@gmx.de: You could try archboot isos linked here: ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/iso/archboot This iso boots fine. But this doesn't fix the problem with the other isos. ;-)

Re: [arch-general] [OT] What is wrong with DBus anyway?

2009-12-04 Thread Raghavendra Prabhu
Correct me if I am wrong here, but the objective of dbus/ipc is to vastly simplify programming -- suppose you need to write a program which opens document in gedit as one of the steps He doesn't need to know about the command line flags of gedit.By having a single interface like dbus, it