Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Ray Rashif
On 2 February 2010 13:43, Ty John wrote: > On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:13:38 -0600 > "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote: > >> On 02/01/10 21:59, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >> > Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only >> > one thing. pacman should support installing multiple ke

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] xfsprogs-3.1.1

2010-02-01 Thread Tobias Powalowski
Am Sonntag 31 Januar 2010 schrieb Tobias Powalowski: > Hi bump to latest version, > xfsprogs-3.1.1 (29 January 2010) > - Fix various blkid topology support problems in mkfs.xfs. > - Fix various build warnings. > - Add automatic build dependency calculations. > - Cleaner buil

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Ty John
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:13:38 -0600 "William A. Mahaffey III" wrote: > On 02/01/10 21:59, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > > Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only > > one thing. pacman should support installing multiple kernels. > > Developers need not maintain the old

Re: [arch-general] Syncing the mirrors

2010-02-01 Thread Hannes Rist
Allan McRae wrote: Well, there was a news item saying it would be best to wait a couple of days to do an update... but no-one ever listens to us. And yet they're still using Archlinux. True love! regards, Hannes -- Hannes Rist ++ | Crew Se

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread William A. Mahaffey III
On 02/01/10 23:10, Allan McRae wrote: On 02/02/10 15:13, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: On 02/01/10 21:59, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only one thing. pacman should support installing multiple kernels. Developers need not maintain th

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Allan McRae
On 02/02/10 15:13, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: On 02/01/10 21:59, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only one thing. pacman should support installing multiple kernels. Developers need not maintain the old version. Let it be in the cache o

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread William A. Mahaffey III
On 02/01/10 21:59, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only one thing. pacman should support installing multiple kernels. Developers need not maintain the old version. Let it be in the cache of the user. But pacman should not remove the olde

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On 02/02/2010 09:34 AM, Dan McGee wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only one thing. pacman should support installing multiple kernels. Developers need not maintain the old version. Let it be in the ca

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Dan McGee
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only one > thing. pacman should support installing multiple kernels. Developers need > not maintain the old version. Let it be in the cache of the user. But pacman > should n

Re: [arch-general] Prelink/Preload

2010-02-01 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On 02/01/2010 05:41 PM, Allan McRae wrote: On 01/02/10 21:57, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: On Monday 01 February 2010 16:09:08 solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: prelink modifies binary and library to ... prelink ;-) them. during the days of kde 3 I noticed a significant improvement in loading time of appli

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
Well, Arch is rolling release distro, I agree. Arch rocks. But only one thing. pacman should support installing multiple kernels. Developers need not maintain the old version. Let it be in the cache of the user. But pacman should not remove the older one after upgrade. -- Nilesh Govindarajan S

Re: [arch-general] Syncing the mirrors

2010-02-01 Thread Allan McRae
On 02/02/10 13:01, Steve Holmes wrote: On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:42:32AM +0200, Ionut Biru wrote: mirrors.kernel.org in fact is not a single mirror. is an alias to a geolocation subdomain and from there is serving from closer geographically position(in theory). for you maybe you hit in an up to

Re: [arch-general] Syncing the mirrors

2010-02-01 Thread Steve Holmes
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:42:32AM +0200, Ionut Biru wrote: > mirrors.kernel.org in fact is not a single mirror. is an alias to a > geolocation subdomain and from there is serving from closer > geographically position(in theory). > for you maybe you hit in an up to date server. I don't know but I'

Re: [arch-general] Syncing the mirrors

2010-02-01 Thread Ionut Biru
On 02/02/2010 04:29 AM, Ray Kohler wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I'm also having major problems upgrading my system. Pacman errors out and it tells me I have 77 packages to update and I was current two days ago.

Re: [arch-general] Syncing the mirrors

2010-02-01 Thread Ray Kohler
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > I'm also having major problems upgrading my system.  Pacman errors out > and it tells me I have 77 packages to update and I was current two > days ago.  I believe it is 77 and counting.  

Re: [arch-general] Syncing the mirrors

2010-02-01 Thread Steve Holmes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 I'm also having major problems upgrading my system. Pacman errors out and it tells me I have 77 packages to update and I was current two days ago. I believe it is 77 and counting. Last night it was 66. I'm using the kernel.org site for my pack

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit - tone it down

2010-02-01 Thread Armando M. Baratti
On 01-02-2010 06:17, Joerg Schilling wrote: "Armando M. Baratti" wrote: Strange, I have had the opposite experience. Trying to burn some CDs with cdrkit (on CentOS) give some problem with not being able to generate Joliet system and I have had trouble with utf-8 too. First I thought I was mak

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread fons
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 06:09:58PM -0500, dave reisner wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:01 PM, wrote: > > > On Arch you of course always have the 'fallback' boot > > option (which can be expected to work), or you can boot > > from the original netinstall CD. But it's by no means > > clear to me

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:09:58 -0500 schrieb dave reisner : > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:01 PM, wrote: > > > On Arch you of course always have the 'fallback' boot > > option (which can be expected to work), or you can boot > > from the original netinstall CD. But it's by no means > > clear to me how

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread dave reisner
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:01 PM, wrote: > On Arch you of course always have the 'fallback' boot > option (which can be expected to work), or you can boot > from the original netinstall CD. But it's by no means > clear to me how you could 'rewind' a failed kernel update > using either of these. >

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread fons
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 08:48:14PM +0100, Tom wrote: > > Mantaining multiple kernels would only add overhead on developers' > > work, and bloating /boot. > > I don't really get that. I'm no expert in using pacman or writing > PKGBUILDs, but I can very readily imagine a mechanism that on each > ro

Re: [arch-general] Syncing the mirrors

2010-02-01 Thread Damjan Georgievski
> We have a bit update today, and we see: The syncing process is not > really good. There's also the problem that some mirrors (most of the ones I've tried) sync the package database before syncing all the packages. So "pacman -Syu" errors-out because it can't download some packages. So I either

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:08:23 +0100 schrieb Attila : > One of them which is important be the kernel. So if pacman would have > the option to install a certain version of a package than the user > need only to know if there is more than one version in db. So perhaps > this coould be solved at exampl

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Pierre Chapuis
Le Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:21:03 +0100, Heiko Baums a écrit : > If a security bug is found it should be filed to and fixed by upstream > anyway. This is true, except sometimes upstream patching can take a while and it would be a good idea to warn users about the problem in the meantime so that they c

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Muhammed Uluyol
>> And if you really need to downgrade the kernel or another package just >> do it with pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/-. > > I know this is the No.1 hint but this solution is not very well from my view > because instead the hardidsk getting bigger and bigger it sounds unlogical to > keep a lot of

Re: [arch-general] Setting global environment variable

2010-02-01 Thread Ty John
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:13:55 -0500 Daenyth Blank wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 17:11, Ty John wrote: > > Basically, I want to set and unset the variable when I connect and > > disconnect the VPN. > > The best way is probably to have a set of aliases in your bashrc that > run it and set the var

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Attila
At Montag, 1. Februar 2010 22:08 Heiko Baums wrote: At first i want to say that i'm not interested for that the devs have to have too much work. > And if you really need to downgrade the kernel or another package just > do it with pacman -U /var/cache/pacman/pkg/-. I know this is the No.1 hint

Re: [arch-general] Setting global environment variable

2010-02-01 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 17:11, Ty John wrote: > Basically, I want to set and unset the variable when I connect and > disconnect the VPN. The best way is probably to have a set of aliases in your bashrc that run it and set the variables. Scripts and functions cannpt modify the calling environment.

Re: [arch-general] core/linux-api-headers?

2010-02-01 Thread ludovic coues
Could there be a rename/fork rss feed ?

[arch-general] Setting global environment variable

2010-02-01 Thread Ty John
I'm regularly connecting and disconnecting to a VPN using vpnc. The network I connect to has a transparent proxy which I want to set $http_proxy to. I thought I could do something like export http_proxy="proxy.whatever.com" in the /etc/rc.d/vpnc file, in the start and stop functions as necessary

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread ludovic coues
2010/2/1 Xavier Chantry > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:59 PM, ludovic coues wrote: > >> > >> WAIT WHAT? > >> http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/kernel26-lts/ > >> http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/kernel26-lts/ > >> > > > > lts is not for everyday desktop usage. > > > > Who said

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] exim maintainer wanted

2010-02-01 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 01/02/10 13:08, Allan McRae wrote: >> >> exim has no maintainer and I have been assigned a bug for it as the last >> person to rebuild it (db-4.8 rebuild). I do not use it and have no >> intentions of fixing the bug. Does anybody want to be

Re: [arch-general] core/linux-api-headers?

2010-02-01 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Brendan Long wrote: > Sounds like the real problem is pacman's message then. My suggestion: > change "package x has been replaced by package y" to "package x has been > renamed package y". > fork/alternative != rename The term 'replace' is more general than a ren

Re: [arch-general] core/linux-api-headers?

2010-02-01 Thread Ray Rashif
On 2 February 2010 05:29, Ty John wrote: > I'm not subscribed to it either and I must admit that I was a bit > surprised when I saw the message while updating. > I may be wrong but I believe pacman is limited in the way it produces > informing messages in that it can only do so in a post install s

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Xavier Chantry
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:59 PM, ludovic coues wrote: >> >> WAIT WHAT? >> http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/kernel26-lts/ >> http://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/kernel26-lts/ >> > > lts is not for everyday desktop usage. > Who said anything about desktop usage ? It is useful fo

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Eric Bélanger
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:14:18 -0600 > Aaron Griffin wrote: > >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Daenyth Blank >> >> Don't forget: everyone is interested in "starting discussions" or >> "planning" or "drawing up plans", but when it comes to t

Re: [arch-general] core/linux-api-headers?

2010-02-01 Thread Brendan Long
On 02/01/2010 12:08 AM, Ray Rashif wrote: > Oh nono, $replaces isn't used like that. When for instance you have > deleted a package and brought in a new one with a different name, > often due to a name change (upstream or not), you need to make sure > pacman will know and seamlessly "update" to the

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Brendan Long
On 02/01/2010 09:06 AM, Dan McGee wrote: > [snip] > Oh my! A bug! But software never has bugs, and we should test > everything for months before releasing it! > > Seriously, do you think we purposely release buggy software? (We > don't) Do strive for a rock solid system? No, because our users (and

Re: [arch-general] core/linux-api-headers?

2010-02-01 Thread Ty John
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:35:56 +0800 Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 21:08 +1030, Ty John wrote: > > On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:08:33 +0800 > > Ray Rashif wrote: > > > > > On 01/02/2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:55:57PM +0100, Giovanni Scafora > > > > wr

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:17:51 -0500 schrieb Carlos Williams : > How does Arch Linux far behind in security as compared to Debian. > Perhaps I caught this conversation late but I would like to know what > makes Debian better in aspects of security -vs- Arch? Can anyone > please explain? Debian keeps

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 1 Feb 2010 20:48:14 +0100 schrieb Tom : > I don't really get that. I'm no expert in using pacman or writing > PKGBUILDs, but I can very readily imagine a mechanism that on each > rolling release update to the kernel, moves the current kernel on the > users system to say 'kernel-previous',

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Laurie Clark-Michalek
On 1 February 2010 06:27, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > While I was using Fedora, the first thing after installing the OS was to > disable SELinux :D I thought to myself I might have a look at some SELinux guides on the web, seeing as it could be a useful tool. I was rather put off that the first

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:14:18 -0600 Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Daenyth Blank > > Don't forget: everyone is interested in "starting discussions" or > "planning" or "drawing up plans", but when it comes to the actual work > well, then the original initiators get disinter

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 15:17, Carlos Williams wrote: > How does Arch Linux far behind in security as compared to Debian. > Perhaps I caught this conversation late but I would like to know what > makes Debian better in aspects of security -vs- Arch? Can anyone > please explain? > Mainly package si

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Carlos Williams
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Daenyth Blank wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:01, Ananda Samaddar >> wrote: >>> I really like Arch. I switched about a year ago after being a Debian >>> user for nine years.  There is something that trou

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some work

2010-02-01 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Daenyth Blank wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:01, Ananda Samaddar > wrote: >> I really like Arch. I switched about a year ago after being a Debian >> user for nine years.  There is something that troubles me though about >> Arch.  Its lack of security focus. >

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Tom
> After all, you really should compile your own kernels, and keep > backups around just in case you break something there yourself... What I mean is, for me, the official arch-kernel IS the main backup... ;)

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Tom
> Mantaining multiple kernels would only add overhead on developers' > work, and bloating /boot. I don't really get that. I'm no expert in using pacman or writing PKGBUILDs, but I can very readily imagine a mechanism that on each rolling release update to the kernel, moves the current kernel on th

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Andrew Antle
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:16:09 -0500 > schrieb Andrew Antle : > >> >> Do you have a link to this PDF? >> > >> > http://people.redhat.com/drepper/no_static_linking.html >> > >> > Cf. http://sta.li/faq >> >> http://people.redhat.com/drepper/dsohowto

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 1 Feb 2010 12:16:09 -0500 schrieb Andrew Antle : > >> Do you have a link to this PDF? > > > > http://people.redhat.com/drepper/no_static_linking.html > > > > Cf. http://sta.li/faq > > http://people.redhat.com/drepper/dsohowto.pdf Thanks for the links. Greetings, Heiko

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Baho Utot
Dan McGee wrote: 2010/2/1 Nilesh Govindarajan : On 02/01/2010 08:53 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 15:59 +0100, ludovic coues wrote: 2010/2/1 Emmanuel Benisty On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: How to install multiple ke

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Baho Utot
Emmanuel Benisty wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? Arch should do something like Fedora/Redhat. Maintain 1-2 previous kernels so that if a new one is buggy, then the old one can be used. QFT. WAIT WHAT? h

[arch-general] [signoff] rp-pppoe-3.10-3

2010-02-01 Thread Daniel Isenmann
Hi, this is a small fix for the bug reported here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=699763 Now, you have to set explicit the plugin path to the kernel mode plugin if you want to use it. So, it's up to you if you need it or not and it won't be set anymore as default, because it generated

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 11:43 -0500, Ray Kohler wrote: > 2010/2/1 Nilesh Govindarajan : > > Agreed. But recently a USB problem (possibly a bug) was being discussed > > heavily on the forums. What about it ? Didn't the developers test the kernel > > properly before releasing it to the community ? > >

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Andrew Antle
>> Do you have a link to this PDF? > > http://people.redhat.com/drepper/no_static_linking.html > > Cf. http://sta.li/faq http://people.redhat.com/drepper/dsohowto.pdf -- Andrew Antle

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Andrew Antle
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: >> Static libraries are bad. Besides taking up diskspace, they're just >> bad to use. Ulrich Drepper has a nice PDF about this. > > Do you have a link to this PDF? http://people.redhat.com/drepper/no_static_linking.html Cf. http://sta.li/faq -

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:14:27 +0100 schrieb Jan de Groot : > If a program is built static against an insecure library, upgrading > the insecure library means the static binary is still vulnerable. > That's what Allan means. Well, that's obvious. > When we switch to glibc-based initramfs, there sh

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Ray Kohler
2010/2/1 Nilesh Govindarajan : > Agreed. But recently a USB problem (possibly a bug) was being discussed > heavily on the forums. What about it ? Didn't the developers test the kernel > properly before releasing it to the community ? Can you point me to this thread? Forum search and google aren't

Re: [arch-general] Gnome is Working But Missing Apps

2010-02-01 Thread Nicklas Widlund Bjurman
I believe what you want is the eye of gnome application, a middleweight image viewer. sudo pacman -S eog Best regards Nicklas W Bjurman On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Leandro Inacio wrote: > Please, > > pacman -Sg gnome-extra > > after > > pacman -Si package_name | grep -i Description > > Look

Re: [arch-general] Gnome is Working But Missing Apps

2010-02-01 Thread Leandro Inacio
Please, pacman -Sg gnome-extra after pacman -Si package_name | grep -i Description Lookup the package that you needs, some questions are answered with pacman commands. And do what Ionut said. -- Leandro Inácio On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 13:21, Ray Kohler wrote: > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:15

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Emmanuel Benisty
2010/2/1 Nilesh Govindarajan : > Agreed. But recently a USB problem (possibly a bug) was being discussed > heavily on the forums. What about it ? Didn't the developers test the kernel > properly before releasing it to the community ? want to improve this situation ? use [testing] in arch, report b

Re: [arch-general] Gnome is Working But Missing Apps

2010-02-01 Thread Ray Kohler
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Carlos Williams wrote: > I have Gnome Desktop Environment up and running perfect on my Arch > x86_64 system but I elected to not install "gnome-extra" packages > because it installs too much junk I don't want and or need. My > question is I am missing two applicati

Re: [arch-general] Gnome is Working But Missing Apps

2010-02-01 Thread Ionut Biru
On 02/01/2010 06:15 PM, Carlos Williams wrote: I have Gnome Desktop Environment up and running perfect on my Arch x86_64 system but I elected to not install "gnome-extra" packages because it installs too much junk I don't want and or need. My question is I am missing two applications from Gnome a

[arch-general] Gnome is Working But Missing Apps

2010-02-01 Thread Carlos Williams
I have Gnome Desktop Environment up and running perfect on my Arch x86_64 system but I elected to not install "gnome-extra" packages because it installs too much junk I don't want and or need. My question is I am missing two applications from Gnome and don't know what they're called and or what to

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Daenyth Blank
2010/2/1 Nilesh Govindarajan : > Agreed. But recently a USB problem (possibly a bug) was being discussed > heavily on the forums. What about it ? Didn't the developers test the kernel > properly before releasing it to the community ? > They do test the kernel, but you can't possibly expect them to

Re: [arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Thanos Zygouris
And the second version of dmesg... ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC5] (IRQs 16) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC6] (IRQs 16) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC7] (IRQs 16) *0 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APC8] (IRQs 16) *0, disabled. ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [APCF] (IRQs 20 21 22 23)

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Dan McGee
2010/2/1 Nilesh Govindarajan : > On 02/01/2010 08:53 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: >> >> On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 15:59 +0100, ludovic coues wrote: >>> >>> 2010/2/1 Emmanuel Benisty >>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > > How to install multiple kernels using pacman

Re: [arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Thanos Zygouris
I can not attach all the dmesg output (bigger than 40kbytes) so i'll send it in two parts,ok? Also, i found that my friend's desktop (64-bit) and my old IBM T42 (32-bit) have the same problem... But not a somewhat old HP desktop (32bit) i use as a fileserver... All of them are having Archlinux and

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On 02/01/2010 08:53 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 15:59 +0100, ludovic coues wrote: 2010/2/1 Emmanuel Benisty On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? Arch should do something like Fedora/Redhat. Maintain 1-2 previ

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 15:59 +0100, ludovic coues wrote: > 2010/2/1 Emmanuel Benisty > > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan > > wrote: > > > How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? > > > > > > Arch should do something like Fedora/Redhat. Maintain 1-2 previous > > kernels

Re: [arch-general] Prelink/Preload

2010-02-01 Thread Nick Stepa
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 11:39:08AM +0100, solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: > hi. > preload and prelink are NOT the same thing. > ... > Thx for your explanation.

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 09:59, ludovic coues wrote: > 2010/2/1 Emmanuel Benisty > lts is not for everyday desktop usage. > > By the way,  there should be a way to get older with something like that > pacman -S kernel26-2.6.32.6-1 > Arch is a rolling release distro. The repo only keeps one version

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread William A. Mahaffey III
On 02/01/10 08:59, ludovic coues wrote: 2010/2/1 Emmanuel Benisty On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? Arch should do something like Fedora/Redhat. Maintain 1-2 previous kernels so that if a new one

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread ludovic coues
2010/2/1 Emmanuel Benisty > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan > wrote: > > How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? > > > > Arch should do something like Fedora/Redhat. Maintain 1-2 previous > kernels > > so that if a new one is buggy, then the old one can be used. > > QF

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 14:59 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:58:24 +1000 > schrieb Allan McRae : > > > I disagree. Static libraries generally suck and hide rebuilds needed > > for security issues. So unless something specifically needs the > > static library, I think it should

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Emmanuel Benisty
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: > How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? > > Arch should do something like Fedora/Redhat. Maintain 1-2 previous kernels > so that if a new one is buggy, then the old one can be used. QFT. WAIT WHAT? http://www.archlinux.org/packa

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:58:24 +1000 schrieb Allan McRae : > I disagree. Static libraries generally suck and hide rebuilds needed > for security issues. So unless something specifically needs the > static library, I think it should be removed. Such rebuilds are only hidden if a program is linked

Re: [arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Cainã
You can still use it, starting fallback kernel and downgrading it with pacman. Mantaining multiple kernels would only add overhead on developers' work, and bloating /boot. 2010/2/1 Nilesh Govindarajan > How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? > > Arch should do something like Fedora/Redha

[arch-general] Multiple Kernels

2010-02-01 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
How to install multiple kernels using pacman ? Arch should do something like Fedora/Redhat. Maintain 1-2 previous kernels so that if a new one is buggy, then the old one can be used. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Adminstrator www.itech7.com

Re: [arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Allan McRae
On 01/02/10 22:11, Heiko Baums wrote: Hi, I had this issue only twice by now, but I think this is a general problem. In the recent times libraries in the repos are only built dynamically while the statical versions are disabled. This can lead to several problems if someone needs to compile a p

Re: [arch-general] core/linux-api-headers?

2010-02-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 21:08 +1030, Ty John wrote: > On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:08:33 +0800 > Ray Rashif wrote: > > > On 01/02/2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:55:57PM +0100, Giovanni Scafora wrote: > > >> 2010/1/31, f...@kokkinizita.net : > > >> > that means that cd

Re: [arch-general] Prelink/Preload

2010-02-01 Thread Allan McRae
On 01/02/10 21:57, Shridhar Daithankar wrote: On Monday 01 February 2010 16:09:08 solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: prelink modifies binary and library to ... prelink ;-) them. during the days of kde 3 I noticed a significant improvement in loading time of applications. I have dropped its use (prelink ...

[arch-general] Libraries should also be built statically

2010-02-01 Thread Heiko Baums
Hi, I had this issue only twice by now, but I think this is a general problem. In the recent times libraries in the repos are only built dynamically while the statical versions are disabled. This can lead to several problems if someone needs to compile a program and needs to link statically agai

Re: [arch-general] Prelink/Preload

2010-02-01 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Monday 01 February 2010 16:09:08 solsTiCe d'Hiver wrote: > prelink modifies binary and library to ... prelink ;-) them. during the > days of kde 3 I noticed a significant improvement in loading time of > applications. I have dropped its use (prelink ... and kde3) because some > recent binutils(o

Re: [arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 13:20 +0200, Thanos Zygouris wrote: > Output of lsmod | grep cdrom > cdrom 36354 1 sr_mod > > As for the controller, i am not sure...my mothermoard uses the nVidia 430 > chipset...is that enough info? > Could you just attach the output of dmesg?

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and security - it needs some

2010-02-01 Thread Nicky726
> security isnt about SELinux. Well, seems I didn't completely get the original person's point of view then. I thought that it was more end-computer oriented. Then I think SELinux could be part of its security. Ondrej Vadinsky -- Don`t it always seem to go That you don`t know what you`ve got

Re: [arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Thanos Zygouris
Output of lsmod | grep cdrom cdrom 36354 1 sr_mod As for the controller, i am not sure...my mothermoard uses the nVidia 430 chipset...is that enough info? Look the message of the cd-info when i insert the "Gentoo netinstall" CD: CD location : /dev/cdrom CD driver name: GNU/Li

Re: [arch-general] Firefox 3.5.7 not support eh !??

2010-02-01 Thread Ionut Biru
On 02/01/2010 07:25 AM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Eh. I cannot keep on switching the User Agent every time I start firefox. So about:config :D ;) don't open after a while reporting that firefox is identifying as other version/name [1] [1] http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/18033 [/end joke] -

Re: [arch-general] Firefox 3.5.7 not support eh !??

2010-02-01 Thread Nicklas Widlund Bjurman
If you go to wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Firefox there is a link to the forum with the caption firebrand, go to the third page of the forum and copy the updated script and run it in sudo(when firefox is not running). This will rebrand your firefox completely to firefox. Best regards Nicklas W Bju

Re: [arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 12:51 +0200, Thanos Zygouris wrote: > Thanks for replying... > It's a IDE drive: > 1) wodim --devices > 0 dev='/dev/scd0'rwrw-- : 'TSSTcorp' 'CD/DVDW SH-S182D' > > 2) dmesg | grep sr0 > sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray > > And i did

Re: [arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Thanos Zygouris
Thanks for replying... It's a IDE drive: 1) wodim --devices 0 dev='/dev/scd0'rwrw-- : 'TSSTcorp' 'CD/DVDW SH-S182D' 2) dmesg | grep sr0 sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray And i did try to disable hal...nothing changes...

Re: [arch-general] Prelink/Preload

2010-02-01 Thread solsTiCe d'Hiver
hi. preload and prelink are NOT the same thing. preload is a daemon that scan what file you load into memory the most (in learning mode). and later (in operating mode), it prefetches them. I can't say if there is a difference as it's been a long time I use it. a slight improvement may be at the st

Re: [arch-general] core/linux-api-headers?

2010-02-01 Thread Ty John
On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:08:33 +0800 Ray Rashif wrote: > On 01/02/2010, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:55:57PM +0100, Giovanni Scafora wrote: > >> 2010/1/31, f...@kokkinizita.net : > >> > that means that cdrkit has been renamed to cdrtools ? :-) > >> > >> Of course, it

Re: [arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Jan de Groot
On Mon, 2010-02-01 at 12:26 +0200, Thanos Zygouris wrote: > Hi gyus, > i got a problem...(do not know how/when did it started though). > I cannot mount CD roms...(i do not speak about automounting) > Here is what "dmesg" tells: > > sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code > sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Result:

[arch-general] CDROM cannot mount

2010-02-01 Thread Thanos Zygouris
Hi gyus, i got a problem...(do not know how/when did it started though). I cannot mount CD roms...(i do not speak about automounting) Here is what "dmesg" tells: sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Unhandled sense code sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=0x00 driverbyte=0x08 sr 5:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : 0x4 [curren

[arch-general] Prelink/Preload

2010-02-01 Thread Nick Stepa
Hello, list! Do this programs makes system faster? Maybe anyone use this program. II can`t find article in archlinux wiki about them, only in gentoo wiki(or handbook) - so i can`t find an answer to "is this good for Archlinux". PS Plz share /etc/prelink.conf

Re: [arch-general] An old, tiresome discussion: cdrtools vs cdrkit - tone it down

2010-02-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote: > Strange, I have had the opposite experience. > Trying to burn some CDs with cdrkit (on CentOS) give some problem with > not being able to generate Joliet system and I have had trouble with > utf-8 too. > > First I thought I was making some stupid mistake, but chang

Re: [arch-general] Netcfg after resume from suspend

2010-02-01 Thread James Rayner
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:36 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:37:54AM +1100, James Rayner wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:34 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 05:00:04PM +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: > > > > > > > You should try the testi