Re: [arch-general] Spell Checking in Emacs

2010-10-20 Thread Rthoreau
wahjava...@gmail.com (Ashish SHUKLA) writes: > Steve Holmes writes: >> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 05:02:24AM +0530, Ashish SHUKLA wrote: >>> Steve Holmes writes: >>> > Do I have to set up anything in advance in order to use ispell in >>> > emacs with the aspell program? See the message below for the

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Allan McRae
On 21/10/10 01:45, maxc wrote: There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html That was in February 2008... Back when we were using python-2.5 because neither python-2.6 or python-3.0 had been released. So I doubt even

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Mithrandir
On 10/20/2010 06:52 AM, Hilton Medeiros wrote: HackerNews, Slashdot, ...: - Someone post an announcement with 10 lines; - They read it (or not) and think that that is all the information behind the story; - They furiously start typing the first thing that pops in their mind; Often preceded

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:00 PM, wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:10:03PM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > >> the point is that it really, really, really... doesn't matter what >> `python` is symlinked to.  developers need to have the competence to >> instruct the system appropriately, and c

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread fons
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:10:03PM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > the point is that it really, really, really... doesn't matter what > `python` is symlinked to. developers need to have the competence to > instruct the system appropriately, and construct the environment they > need to function

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild

2010-10-20 Thread Evangelos Foutras
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Dan McGee wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Evangelos Foutras > wrote: >> What do we do for stuff like PHP which will get linked to PostgreSQL >> 9.0.1 which is in [testing] right now? Or will PostgreSQL be moved out >> of [testing] at the same time as t

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild

2010-10-20 Thread Dan McGee
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Allan McRae wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Time to move on to the next rebuild!  This time it is for db-5.1. >> >> There are the following soname changes: >>  libdb-4.8.so -> libdb-5.1.so >>  libdb-4.so -> libdb-5.s

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] db-5.1 rebuild

2010-10-20 Thread Evangelos Foutras
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > Hi, > > Time to move on to the next rebuild!  This time it is for db-5.1. > > There are the following soname changes: >  libdb-4.8.so -> libdb-5.1.so >  libdb-4.so -> libdb-5.so >  libdb_cxx-4.8.so -> libdb_cxx-5.1.so >  libdb_cxx-4.so -> libdb

Re: [arch-general] python3 update

2010-10-20 Thread cantabile
Le 20/10/2010 21:00, solsTiCe d'Hiver a écrit : Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 à 18:54 +0200, Clément Démoulins a écrit : And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2. also I guess something like python>2.6.5 should become python2>2.6.5 which does not make any sense since python2 in

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread maxc
On Oct 20, 2010, at 01:10 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM, maxc wrote: > > There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html > > Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/p

Re: [arch-general] python3 update

2010-10-20 Thread solsTiCe d'Hiver
Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 à 18:54 +0200, Clément Démoulins a écrit : > > And the dependencies must be updated from python to python2. > also I guess something like python>2.6.5 should become python2>2.6.5 which does not make any sense since python2 in archlinux is >= 2.7 and then could be shortene

Re: [arch-general] Odd message on boot

2010-10-20 Thread Lukas Fleischer
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 01:26:26PM -0400, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > So, it's helpful to know that one of the message buses is the source > of the issue. Do you know if there's any way to narrow it down more > than that? i.e., find out which config file is causing this? It's caused by the avahi

Re: [arch-general] Odd message on boot

2010-10-20 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 10/20/2010 01:08 PM, Aljosha Papsch wrote: It means, D-BUS (or any message bus) is missing a group specified in its configuration file. A solution might be to just create the group. No, I'm not going to go and blindly create the group. I want to understand what in my configuration is expe

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:45 AM, maxc wrote: > > There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html > > Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and > /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective ver

Re: [arch-general] Odd message on boot

2010-10-20 Thread Aljosha Papsch
It means, D-BUS (or any message bus) is missing a group specified in its configuration file. A solution might be to just create the group.

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Fess
On 11:17 Wed 20 Oct , Dan McGee wrote: > Fucking hell! Can we stop with this constant nagging on the list? It > doesn't help (as you can see), you waste 1926 people's time with the > message (yes, this list has this many subscribers, and it is soon to > be one less), and it just doesn't need to be

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:02:27 -0400 schrieb Matthew Gyurgyik : > Really please, please don't top post. > http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/ And, really please, only quote the relevant parts to which the answer refers. Heiko

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Dan McGee
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: >  On 10/20/2010 11:45 AM, maxc wrote: >> >> There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: >> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html >> >> Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Gyurgyik
On 10/20/2010 11:45 AM, maxc wrote: There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective versions of Python.

[arch-general] Odd message on boot

2010-10-20 Thread David Rosenstrauch
Been seeing a strange message recently on boot. Seems to have only appeared in the last few weeks. 'Unknown group "netdev" in message bus configuration file' Anyone know what's causing it and/or how to get rid of it? Thanks, DR

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread maxc
There is an excellent post by Guido here, Hilton: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-3000/2008-February/011910.html Guido seems to favor using /usr/bin/python3.0 or /usr/bin/python3 and /usr/bin/python as symlinks to the respective versions of Python. 'Perhaps we should only install "pyth

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Hilton Medeiros
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:58:42 -0400 Max Countryman wrote: > That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that > python3 will not become python. > > Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of > four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Daenyth Blank
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:16, Armando M. Baratti wrote: > Em 20-10-2010 05:24, Stefano Z. escreveu: >> >> anyone know if reportlab does work with python3 ? >> > > No, reportlab doesn't work with python3. > Neither Django, nor Twisted. > > As well the modules below are incompatible with python3 (t

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Armando M. Baratti
Em 20-10-2010 05:24, Stefano Z. escreveu: anyone know if reportlab does work with python3 ? No, reportlab doesn't work with python3. Neither Django, nor Twisted. As well the modules below are incompatible with python3 (to mention a few): - PyGTK2 - Pyjamas - Kiwi - Beaker - Cheetah - CherryPy

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Matthew Gyurgyik
On 10/20/2010 10:58 AM, Max Countryman wrote: That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that python3 will not become python. Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no indication that

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Max Countryman
That is fine unless the Python development team has decide that python3 will not become python. Python 2.7.x will be maintained for quite some time. (In excess of four more years.) Even after it is dropped in the future there's no indication that the python3 binary is intended to become the py

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Max Countryman wrote: > > But is that what Python development has decided? I'm not sure what they have recommended. Ultimately it's up to the distros to decide such things; I have seen that written more then once by BFDL and friends. I think what Arch is doing i

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Max Countryman
But is that what Python development has decided? On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:05, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> >> i like the python2.7, python2, python3.1, python3, etc, scheme... i >> think this makes it very easy for developers to select

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:03 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > i like the python2.7, python2, python3.1, python3, etc, scheme... i > think this makes it very easy for developers to select the specific > interpreter they need, if any.  i hope this trend becomes/is defacto. > if you are just running

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Hilton Medeiros wrote: > On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:31:17 + (UTC) > Mithrandir wrote: > >> Max Countryman me.com> writes: >> >> > >> > > I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python >> > > team >> deciding at some point that they >> > intended

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Max Countryman
I think that my only concern at this point is how the Python development team sees the future of the binary: if the python and python3 convention is kept I worry about the ease of portability apropos to development under Arch. For further in-depth discussion of the overall move the comments of t

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Hilton Medeiros
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 04:31:17 + (UTC) Mithrandir wrote: > Max Countryman me.com> writes: > > > > > > I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python > > > team > deciding at some point that they > > intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries > > perpetual

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] Libreoffice in AUR

2010-10-20 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:19:26 +0300 schrieb Ionuț Bîru : > somebody already uploaded a new build, libreoffice-new. the name is > kinda stupid and it makes me want to delete it. I'd second this. It also seems to be a duplicate to libreoffice-bin. And libreoffice-build should be deleted, too, renam

Re: [arch-general] no python3 package?

2010-10-20 Thread Angus
> Those are AUR packages, you need to ask their maintainers in the AUR to > make the necessary changes. Learn2read, please. I was given the impression that this was going to be solved with the python package: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Allan McRae wrote: >Hmm... I probably should have adde

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Max Countryman
Oh is there another thread on this list? My apologies if so! I just joined earlier yesterday. :) On Oct 20, 2010, at 12:31 AM, Mithrandir wrote: > Ha ha! We posted at virtually the same time! (Or not...) :D

Re: [arch-general] no python3 package?

2010-10-20 Thread Mauro Santos
On 20-10-2010 05:35, Angus wrote: >>> Hmm... I probably should have added a version to the provides line in the >>> python package. Currently it only provides "python3" and not a version so >>> the versioned deps in those AUR packages are causing issues. I'll get >>> around to that before this

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Mithrandir
Max Countryman me.com> writes: > > > I failed to find a reference, but I seem to remember the Python team deciding at some point that they > intended to keep the name "python" for the Python 2.X binaries perpetually, and require Python 3.X to be > invoked as "python3". Arch might be alone in mak

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-20 Thread Stefano Z.
anyone know if reportlab does work with python3 ?