Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > > http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ > > Thanks, > Madhur > Ok, Some people have suggested that I am trolling just because I have not r

[arch-general] is udev-164 a safe solution at the moment

Hi, still again after every 20 or 30 new boot udev-165 hangs both pc's with archlinux. So my question is that if i step back to udev-164 will there be problems with the initscripts or any other plans what you the devs have in the near future? If yes than i can (or have to) live with this becaus

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

At Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2011 22:45 Ionuț Bîru wrote: > We should really stop this. The OP doesn't have any interest to > participate to the discussion. In 12 hours he didn't replied to any of > your ideas, clearly he is a troll. Only for the stats: If he, the OP, has asked before work (or a bus

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > I'd like to install GNOME for my freshly installed base system following > instructions provided on this page 'https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ > GNOME#Base '. As you > can see it

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 03:06:27 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > I'd like to install GNOME for my freshly installed base system following > instructions provided on this page > 'https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ GNOME#Base'. As you can see it > reads: > > "Install the base GNOME desktop" > > #

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:57:40 -0700, Patrick Burroughs wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:06, Juan R. de Silva > wrote: >> I'd like to install GNOME for my freshly installed base system >> following instructions provided on this page >> 'https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ GNOME#Base'. As you c

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Cody Maloney wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:22 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> >> ... so, anyone out there to support or refute this observation (with actual >> experience ...) > > Better is a matter of opinion. From what I've gathered about systemd > it make

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:22 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Jan 19, 2011 7:13 PM, "Ng Oon-Ee" wrote: >> >> On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 17:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: >> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier > wrote: >> > > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Jan 19, 2011 7:13 PM, "Ng Oon-Ee" wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 17:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > > > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : > > >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 17:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : > >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger > > wrote: > >> > Any ideas when will Arch switch to

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger > wrote: >> > Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? >> >> oh, and the last couple pages i

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? > > oh, and the last couple pages in the forum sound promising in regards > to arch specific unit

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:46:21 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > On 19/01/11 20:35, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Juan R. de Silva >> wrote: Best option RIGHT NOW is to pacman -Sg gnome and then manually pacman - -Suy pkgfoo pkgbar pkgyetanother of the ones

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? oh, and the last couple pages in the forum sound promising in regards to arch specific unit files, though i'd have to look closer as i haven't had a chance to try syste

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On 01/19/2011 11:35 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > systemd is my personal favorite; it is a solid concept and the most > novel and complete solution. systemd is related to upstart, but works > in the complete opposite direction. with systemd, you define where > you WANT TO BE first, and actions

[arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

so-and-so has already embraced it (plus it's super awesome/useful :-) Any ideas when will Arch switch to systemd based booting system ? http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=96316 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd http://0pointer.

Re: [arch-general] fetchmail/spamassassin error after update

On 01/19/2011 02:54 PM, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > A quick google search on sa-learn will show you this is a spamassassin > issue and has nothing to do with fetchmail. > > T. > Thanks T. I finally found the reference to the upstream bug and patches here: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

We should really stop this. The OP doesn't have any interest to participate to the discussion. In 12 hours he didn't replied to any of your ideas, clearly he is a troll. Let this thread to die... -- Ionuț

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 02:25:28 pm Isaac Dupree wrote: > On 01/19/11 14:03, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > And comments about Ubuntu and their competence are entirely relevant to > > this discussion, as Upstart is entirely their creation. Would you rather > > I talk about people who had nothing to

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

I appreciate the links provided here. I had found a few items on line as well. All I have read about upstart really just related to faster boot times, which isn't that big of a sell-point for me. I'm not saying I'm not opposed to faster boot times, that would just be silly. I was just pointing o

Re: [arch-general] fetchmail/spamassassin error after update

2011/1/19 David C. Rankin : > Guys, > >There seems to be a bug in the sa-learn path in either fetchmail or > some other package that causes fetchmail to fail: > > > sh: /usr/bin/perlbin/vendor/sa-learn: No such file or directory > *.*.***.***fetchmail: e

[arch-general] fetchmail/spamassassin error after update

Guys, There seems to be a bug in the sa-learn path in either fetchmail or some other package that causes fetchmail to fail: sh: /usr/bin/perlbin/vendor/sa-learn: No such file or directory *.*.***.***fetchmail: error writing message text 14:38 phoenix:/

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Kaiting Chen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > >> Package upstart, create a forum thread, gather some evidence that it >> could be implemented easy in the archlinux and then take it too the >> devs. (If they would still be intere

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > Package upstart, create a forum thread, gather some evidence that it > could be implemented easy in the archlinux and then take it too the > devs. (If they would still be interested after all this 16 year old > behaviour :P ) > First of

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On 01/19/11 14:03, Yaro Kasear wrote: And comments about Ubuntu and their competence are entirely relevant to this discussion, as Upstart is entirely their creation. Would you rather I talk about people who had nothing to do with its code? The Ubuntu devs are behind Upstart, they're not that grea

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 13:33 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:53:44 pm C Anthony Risinger wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > >> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am L

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:53:44 pm C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: >> > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote: >> >> Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jel

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:53:44 pm C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote: > >> Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit : > >> > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:5

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote: >> Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit : >> > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote: >> > >> > If you want the devs to get interested

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 04:29:02 am Laurent Carlier wrote: > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit : > > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > > > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > > > > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart b

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Culley Smith wrote: > > Perhaps someone with more insight into this matter can speak up as to the > advantages of upstart vs System V init? boot times are more of a side affect. for upstart, this may have been a primary goal, but there is much more to systemd.

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 20:06, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > I'd like to install GNOME for my freshly installed base system following > instructions provided on this page 'https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ > GNOME#Base'. As you can see it reads: > > "Install the base GNOME desktop" > > # pacman -S

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

Perhaps someone with more insight into this matter can speak up as to the advantages of upstart vs System V init? As far as I understand things, the main thing being championed are boot times. However, boot times are somewhat misleading. They may be great on fresh systems, and have an even great

Re: [arch-general] Syslinux Installer / Update Script - Testers Needed

On 01/19/2011 08:54 AM, Madeye wrote: Just ran the script on my virtualbox archserver. And afterwards on a virtualbox archlinux. Unfortunately it's not working. I get the error: Could not find /boot/syslinux is /boot mounted? Is syslinux installed? I only installed package syslinux and then ran

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > > And "ubuntu use it" is not enough as an argument :-) For me its is an unfavorable one. =] If ubuntu did, think two times before doing it. @OP If you look at the forum you will find a lot of arguments showing how bad upstart is. It can

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Fidel Viegas wrote: > > [...] as it is in my view better than system V. > Please explain why. -- Cédric Girard

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On 19/01/11 11:29, Laurent Carlier wrote: Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit : On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote: Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? http://upstart.ubuntu

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

Am 19.01.2011 09:03, schrieb KESHAV P.R.: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:29, Junior wrote: > > Can you please try systemd first (default in Fedora 15 rawhide)? > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd Well after reading up some information about systemd, it seems to me that it is a real adva

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

2011/1/19 Madhur Ahuja : > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > > http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ > > Thanks, > Madhur > I hope never :). Anyway, we are not rpm or deb dependant to follow their schemes :D. -- Angel Velásqu

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On 01/18/2011 11:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > > http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ > > Thanks, > Madhur Sysvinit does it's job just fine. I see no real reason to switch to upstart when we alre

Re: [arch-general] Syslinux Installer / Update Script - Testers Needed

On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 21:52:03 -0500 Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: > Hello Community, > > Over the last few weeks I have been working on Syslinux support for > the installer. With the help Thomas and Dieter I am nearing the > completion of this project. As part of this project, I have written a > script

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] Please settle 'base' in 'depends' for all

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:20:58 +0100 Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 19.01.2011 08:08, schrieb Allan McRae: > > If we want to be really pedantic about dependencies, we should list > > _ALL_ dependencies and not remove the ones that are dependencies of > > dependencies. > > Why don't we just do the corr

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] Please settle 'base' in 'depends' for all

On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:08:27 +1000 Allan McRae wrote: > On 19/01/11 15:19, Kaiting Chen wrote: > > Okay everyone, every time I ask I get a different answer. According > > to Dziedzic and Allan 'glibc' does *not* belong in 'depends'. Also > > Dziedzic votes that *no* package in 'base' should be in

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Allan McRae wrote: >> According to my understanding of pacman's manpage, the option --ignore >> should be enough to filter out what you don't want. For example >> >> # pacman -S gnome --ignore abc,def,hgi,. >> >> I believe I've used it like that for a similar s

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On 19/01/11 20:35, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Juan R. de Silva wrote: Best option RIGHT NOW is to pacman -Sg gnome and then manually pacman - -Suy pkgfoo pkgbar pkgyetanother of the ones you want from the list. Boy, what's an opportunity to exercise my t

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:23 AM, Juan R. de Silva wrote: >> Best option RIGHT NOW is to pacman -Sg gnome and then manually pacman - >> -Suy pkgfoo pkgbar pkgyetanother of the ones you want from the list. >> > > Boy, what's an opportunity to exercise my typing. I'm working in tty > now.  :-( Accor

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 11:16:41, Jelle van der Waa a écrit : > On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > > > > http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ > > > > Thanks, >

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 14:50 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > > http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ > > Thanks, > Madhur For the nex time, first try to implement this feature/thing in AUR and ge

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 04:12 -0500, Kaiting Chen wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > > > > Oh God please never. It would be nice to have it as an option for users who > are interested (I'm totally f

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

At Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:50:05 +0700, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? I hope never. Btw, I think you can use http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?K=upstart

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > Oh God please never. It would be nice to have it as an option for users who are interested (I'm totally for an officially supported option) but there's no need to complicate

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

Am 19.01.2011 08:50, schrieb Madhur Ahuja: > Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. > > Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? > > http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ I'd say, never. I haven't really read the details about upstart and systemd. However, somebody is already w

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On 01/19/2011 09:50 AM, Madhur Ahuja wrote: Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ Thanks, Madhur never, unless somebody from the community want and participate. in arch the things work like thi

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:39, slubman wrote: > Why not looking systemd[1], which is a freedesktop.org project? > > [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd > > Heh Heh, I beat you by 5 minutes.Anyway all the Fedora rawhide build use systemd by default and upstart as standby - http://fedo

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

Why not looking systemd[1], which is a freedesktop.org project? [1] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd >In any case, great jobs guys! I love arch! > >On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja >wrote: > >> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. >> >> Any ideas when will Arch sw

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:29, Junior wrote: > I would also love to see this, but I can imagine the task is pretty hefty. > In any case, great jobs guys! I love arch! > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja wrote: > >> Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. >> >> Any ideas when will