Re: [arch-general] is udev-164 a safe solution at the moment
Am 20.01.2011 06:51, schrieb Attila: Hi, still again after every 20 or 30 new boot udev-165 hangs both pc's with archlinux. So my question is that if i step back to udev-164 will there be problems with the initscripts or any other plans what you the devs have in the near future? If yes
[arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
2011-01-20
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hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_hare
There is a font for coders called Rail Model, please include it with Linux distributions: http://code.google.com/p/railmodel/downloads/detail?name=RailModelFont.zipcan=2q= Copyright: Copyright (c) 2010, Copyright (c) Holder for the commissioned (Unicode 0915) devanagri glyph design as the new
Re: [arch-general] udev slow to start up
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 19:28 -0500, Alexander Lam wrote: A potential solution would be to make udev startup in parallel - but this is kinda hacky because all your devices might not be ready in time for login or fsck or... you get what I mean. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Ty John
Re: [arch-general] is udev-164 a safe solution at the moment
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 10:38 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 20.01.2011 06:51, schrieb Attila: Hi, still again after every 20 or 30 new boot udev-165 hangs both pc's with archlinux. So my question is that if i step back to udev-164 will there be problems with the initscripts or any
[arch-general] Overreactions. Was Re: When will Arch switch to Upstart
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Madhur Ahuja ahuja.mad...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Madhur Ahuja ahuja.mad...@gmail.com wrote: Ubuntu and Fedora has already embraced it. Any ideas when will Arch switch to upstart based booting system ? http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Hi everyone, I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is required before it can really be said to be stable (so any testing and bug reporting
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
Hi Karol, On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: Although a complete integration into Arch seems to be unlikely Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or less there
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:11 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: Hi everyone, I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. Very much appreciated, thank you! Regarding people who are worried about getting an unbootable system: systemd and sysvinit can (and should) be installed in
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
2011/1/20 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: That would be me. This above only holds if we don't utilize the initscripts, right? I understood from the forum thread that using those there'd be 'no turning back'. Never took the time to understand WHY, but that's the impression I took away. No, we
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:40 AM, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: There is a font for coders called Rail Model, please include it with Linux distributions: Usually, the way requests like this work here is by creating a
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jesse Young jesse.yo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:40 AM, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: There is a font for coders called Rail Model, please include it with Linux
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Thursday 20 January 2011 14:15:32 Cédric Girard wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jesse Young jesse.yo...@gmail.com wrote: hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama _hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: Do you really believe this is a serious request ? Heh
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Peter Lewis ple...@aur.archlinux.orgwrote: On Thursday 20 January 2011 14:15:32 Cédric Girard wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jesse Young jesse.yo...@gmail.com wrote: hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:34 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: 2011/1/20 Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: That would be me. This above only holds if we don't utilize the initscripts, right? I understood from the forum thread that using those there'd be 'no turning back'. Never took the time to
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:20:16 -0600 Jesse Young jesse.yo...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/20 Cédric Girard girard.ced...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jesse Young jesse.yo...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:40 AM,
Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?
On 01/20/2011 06:32 AM, Kaiting Chen wrote: On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Juan R. de Silvajuan.r.d.si...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to install GNOME for my freshly installed base system following instructions provided on this page 'https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi everyone, I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is required before
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: systemd [PROS] oh, forgot to mention all the bugs developers would NO LONGER have to deal with regarding several aspects of the init process. more time for devs... we all like that idea right? there are other more
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 21 January 2011 01:48, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:45 AM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: systemd [PROS] There needs to be a real alternative to rc.conf. I do not want something that will need rc.conf to go anywhere. One central
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:45 PM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: ) rc.conf either needs to go, or we find a way to update systemd when it changes... Thanks for the summary! I'd like to comment on this one. At the moment we aim to support rc.conf to the extent it makes sense. If/when
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
2011-01-20
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hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_hare
A quick search in google reveals that he spammed it across lists of numerous distributions and others. Must be a religious fanatic or just a troll. *shrugs* Meeku: It's a legitimate Press Release not spam/troll. There is spiritual non-materialistic content in email address and font
Re: [arch-general] is udev-164 a safe solution at the moment
At Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2011 10:38 Thomas Bächler wrote: Some people actually tracked down the kernel bug that is causing this, but nobody opened a bug report about it upstream. If this is the same bug I heard about, a workaround is deleting /lib/udev/ata_id. Thanks for the hint and i move
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:10:19PM -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: A quick search in google reveals that he spammed it across lists of numerous distributions and others. Must be a religious fanatic or just a
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 02:11:49PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is required before it can really be said to be stable (so any testing and bug reporting would
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
For that answer, please remember me to by you a beer (or two) if we meet one day. 2011/1/20 Piyush P Kurur p...@cse.iitk.ac.in On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:10:19PM -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_hare@lavabit.comwrote: A quick search in
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
2011/1/20 Peter Lewis ple...@aur.archlinux.org On Thursday 20 January 2011 14:15:32 Cédric Girard wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Jesse Young jesse.yo...@gmail.com wrote: hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama _hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote:
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:34 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: So here's my question: will a system using systemd still allow this, *without* requiring source modifications to each and every application (to join a specific cgroup), and *whitout* every application requiring real-time or memory
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
2011-01-20
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hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_hare
Heh - but that is one cool email address. Meeku: Nice thought and grateful for your words. hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_hare is the Mahamantra, the great chant for deliverance in this Age. When I searched for a free webmail service, it was not
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
2011-01-20
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hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_hare
Do you really believe this is a serious request ? Meeku: It is a genuine Press Release.
[arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
Guys, In upgrading several boxes (both i686 and x86_64) on first attempt, I get: :: File pyqt-4.8.2-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted. Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] Choosing Y and restarting the update works fine. If it were only on one box, I'd say sure, I got a bad download, but
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
On 01/20/2011 03:29 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: Guys, In upgrading several boxes (both i686 and x86_64) on first attempt, I get: :: File pyqt-4.8.2-2-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted. Do you want to delete it? [Y/n] Choosing Y and restarting the update works fine. If it were only on one box, I'd
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind it is Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system that'll be in perpetual beta, and more passing off the buck on bug reports to distributions/drivers/whatever.
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Never mind about what I said. I'm just having a bad day. Can someone give me a more clear idea on why we might need systemd? It doesn't look like it'd fit with the Arch Way, and, well, SysV Init isn't exactly broken, and if it isn't broken, why fix it?
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
On 01/20/2011 03:41 PM, Dave Morgan wrote: Refresh your mirrors pacman -Syy and it should be fine. It happened to me momentarily on some UK mirrors. A refresh fixed it. Thanks, Something is funny, because it has now happened 6 times in a row and each one after running pacman -Syu,
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
On 01/21/2011 12:19 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 01/20/2011 03:41 PM, Dave Morgan wrote: Refresh your mirrors pacman -Syy and it should be fine. It happened to me momentarily on some UK mirrors. A refresh fixed it. Thanks, Something is funny, because it has now happened 6 times in
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: Note that grouping processes using cgroups does not imply having to use the group scheduler . IIRC systemd uses a debugging hierarchy by default which does not affect program resources. This is correct. If you want,
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
On Friday 21 January 2011 00:25:50 Ionuț Bîru wrote: This is happening because somebody forgot to bump pkgrel and switched manually the packages. Yes is my fault. Pyqt was removed from database some days ago, I create a new package but I forgot to upload it as 4.8.2-3. Anyway a new pyqt package
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:34 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: After years of problems and frustration,for the last two or three years we (the people using such audio apps on Linux) have finally got a system that allows
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thursday, January 20, 2011 05:45:46 pm Tom Gundersen wrote: (snip) @Yaro: 1) In my experience Lennart has been a pleasure to work with. I, personally, have never worked with him. I have seen enough criticism of Pulse Audio, for example, getting handwaved and pinned on someone else's
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind it is Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system that'll be in perpetual beta, and more passing off the buck on bug reports to
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 01:59 +0530, Piyush P Kurur wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:10:19PM -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: A quick search in google reveals that he spammed it across lists of numerous
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:27:04 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind it is Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system that'll be in perpetual beta, and
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
2011/1/20 Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net: On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:27:04 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind it is Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Hi everyone, I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. At the moment I think the support is complete, and for me it has been 100% stable for some time. That said, much more widespread testing is required before
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:25 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: I, personally, have never worked with him. I have seen enough criticism of Pulse Audio, for example, getting handwaved and pinned on someone else's project. I think about it logically: If it works fine with ALSA, why did it
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:03:23 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: (snip) This talk is probably a year or so out of date however. Try pulseaudio now, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. You'd also have noticed that actual bug reports on our forums/ML etc. concerning pulseaudio have dropped to
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:05:23 pm Ng Oon-Ee wrote: On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:55 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: (snip) - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really easy to test without breaking
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: (snip) - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really easy to test without breaking the system. You can do this? I might try it out. If
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Thursday, January 20, 2011 07:09:43 pm Sander Jansen wrote: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: (snip) - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really easy to test
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
C Anthony Risinger (2011-01-20 11:45): i shot of a couple emails to drum up some comments regarding this proposal. to recap, here are some observations/pros/cons, feel free to add/remove/review/dispute because try as i might, i'm biased; let me be the first to say it :-) sysvinit [ PROS ]
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 03:07 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: I'm quite satisfied with the current sysv init. It does everything which is needed to be done at boottime. And the init process simply is only for booting the system and for nothing else. Btw., Ubuntu with its upstart or systemd is not
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: 3. Parallel booting (staring several daemons parallel at boot time) can make booting significantly slower particularly on older and slower systems. Serial is quite often a lot faster than parallel. The harddisk can only
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:11:40 +0800 schrieb Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: Specifically on this topic, I've noticed that the latest Ubuntu (which I setup on an old laptop for someone else) boots up REALLY fast, faster than Arch on this newer, more capable machine. I've not really put much
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 03:18 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:11:40 +0800 schrieb Ng Oon-Ee ngoo...@gmail.com: Specifically on this topic, I've noticed that the latest Ubuntu (which I setup on an old laptop for someone else) boots up REALLY fast, faster than Arch on this
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:16:34 +0100 schrieb Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com: Parallel *is* faster because the kernel can put all those reads into an optimal order. Also, the obvious multiprocessing. Is this done by the kernel? Means, does systemd use this kernel feature? Arch's and Gentoo's
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 01/20/2011 05:44 PM, Yaro Kasear wrote: Maybe I would like to see systemd in action. My concerns are that this one person has a track record (With PA and Avahi) of making subpar daemons that fix non-existant problems in Linux. Yeah PulseAudio sucks so bad that just about everyone uses it
Re: [arch-general] fetchmail/spamassassin error after update
On 01/19/2011 03:55 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: On 01/19/2011 02:54 PM, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: A quick google search on sa-learn will show you this is a spamassassin issue and has nothing to do with fetchmail. T. A quick workaround is: ln -s $(which sa-learn) /usr/bin/perlbin/vendor
