Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard initscripts package, and you can switch back and forth by making the change in GRUB during boot.
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 13:43, Ray Rashif sc...@archlinux.org wrote: On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and initscripts-systemd-git. It will not conflict with the standard initscripts package, and you
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 21 January 2011 16:21, KESHAV P.R. skodab...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 13:43, Ray Rashif sc...@archlinux.org wrote: On 20 January 2011 21:34, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: You are encouraged to install systemd-git, systemd-arch-units-git and initscripts-systemd-git. It
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0K=systemddo_Search=Go http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0K=systemd-arch-units-gitdo_Search=Go http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=40419 They just didn't put -git on the end, but it is a git package JKP -- The University of Edinburgh
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Ray Rashif sc...@archlinux.org wrote: On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0K=systemddo_Search=Go http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0K=systemd-arch-units-gitdo_Search=Go
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 21 January 2011 16:49, Auguste Pop augu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Ray Rashif sc...@archlinux.org wrote: On 21 January 2011 16:43, John K Pate j.k.p...@sms.ed.ac.uk wrote: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?O=0K=systemddo_Search=Go
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 03:16:34 +0100 Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: Arch's init system is completely ignorant of dependencies. Depends on how you look at it, I guess. I see the explicit ordering and backgrounding of daemons (done by the user) in rc.conf as a (very crude) form of
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Am Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:53:50 -0700 schrieb Brendan Long kori...@gmail.com: Yeah PulseAudio sucks so bad that just about everyone uses it now. Do you really think that the people behind nearly every major distro are stupid enough to use it as the default if it didn't do anything? A lot of
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:30:53 +0100 schrieb Philipp Überbacher hollun...@lavabit.com: Now I know what avahi and PA does, and I don't have a user for either, yet they are there. I don't have the slightest idea what CK and PK does, they don't have any tangible benefit for me, yet they are there.
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
This is happening because somebody forgot to bump pkgrel and switched manually the packages. Yes is my fault. Pyqt was removed from database some days ago, I create a new package but I forgot to upload it as 4.8.2-3. Anyway a new pyqt package is coming and will fix this for everyone without
Re: [arch-general] Bad pyqt 4.8.2-2 package -- on rit?
On Friday 21 January 2011 12:19:38 Damjan wrote: While you're at it please correct these too: ( 7/10) upgrading python2-qt [#] 100% New optional dependencies for python2-qt python-pengl: enable OpenGL 3D graphics in PyQt applications qscintilla:
Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders
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Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
Hi, Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or less there (modulo unknown bugs). First of all I was talking about systemd as the default init system within
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: I certainly can't fault that part. That's probably open source's greatest strength. ESR called it Linus' Law and he explained it succinctly in the CatB paper. My concern is about how cooperative and willing to fix known issues
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:30 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: [...] if apache is patched can this behaviour of systemd be turned off? Yes (as a rule of thumb: fancy functionality that you don't like can almost always be turned off). Sorry if I missed some questions in any of my
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:07 AM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: 1. A possible loss of control over my system due to many unnecessary automations and dynamizations. I agree that the user should be in control of his system. If you find any examples of loss of control, please file bug
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
2011/1/21 Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net: Also, how does that work? Do you choose an init at some point? I believe its been mentioned that you'd just alter the boot parameters in grub (or lilo if you use that). Is this in the wiki? Yes. Let me know if it is unclear. -t
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:48 AM, Sander Jansen s.jan...@gmail.com wrote: So I installed it today and tried it out. I still have to play with it some more. Some initial impressions: Thanks for the comments! - If you installed vala 0.10, systemd-git won't build, even though gtk is disabled.
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
Sander Jansen (2011-01-20 19:09): On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: (snip) - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really easy to test without breaking the system.
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
Karol Babioch (2011-01-21 13:13): Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Any suggestions about what might make the installation easier? At the moment you have to install some packages from AUR and add a line to your GRUB file. I appreciate your work (and anyone who has helped you
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Upstart
Tom Gundersen (2011-01-21 14:36): On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Karol Babioch ka...@babioch.de wrote: Am 20.01.2011 14:18, schrieb Tom Gundersen: Anything in particular you have in mind? We are working towards complete backwards compatibility with initscripts, and we are more or less
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
oh... my. there is too much expletive deleted to respond properly so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: SYSVINIT HAS NO POWER, NO FUNCTIONALITY, AND ABSOLUTELY ZERO USEFULNESS ON IT'S OWN. the unix philosophy
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Friday, January 21, 2011 11:53:22 am C Anthony Risinger wrote: oh... my. there is too much expletive deleted to respond properly so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: Because it's completely unnecessary.
[arch-general] python2-qt dependency typo
Guys, Probably not worth a bug, unless you want one filed, but the python2-qt python-opengl dependency is missing an 'o' in opengl (see e.g. python-pengl below)): New optional dependencies for python2-qt python-pengl: enable OpenGL 3D graphics in PyQt applications qscintilla:
Re: [arch-general] python2-qt dependency typo
On Friday 21 January 2011 13:30:11 David C. Rankin wrote: Probably not worth a bug, unless you want one filed, but the python2-qt python-opengl dependency is missing an 'o' in opengl (see e.g. python-pengl below)): New optional dependencies for python2-qt python-pengl: enable
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On 22 January 2011 01:53, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: oh... my. there is too much expletive deleted to respond properly so i'll try touch a couple [several] things ... ... why the resistance at all? let me reiterate this nce and slow: SYSVINIT HAS NO POWER, NO
Re: [arch-general] python2-qt dependency typo
On 01/21/2011 01:40 PM, Andrea Scarpino wrote: First of all, you must use flyspray to report any bug about official Arch Linux packages. In second, I really don't understand how you missed this[1] on*your* discussion. [1]http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2011-
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
bravo, sir. i'll throw you one last bone, because your track record in this conversation is one of severe inability to comprehend any information presented. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: On Friday, January 21, 2011 11:53:22 am C Anthony Risinger wrote:
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Ray Rashif sc...@archlinux.org wrote: I just tried systemd. And it just failed. I don't want to know anything else, and I don't want to find out why. To everyone trying out systemd, please keep in mind that the arch integration has not received a lot of testing
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Friday, January 21, 2011 05:42:17 pm Ray Rashif wrote: (snip) indeed, and i'd mostly agree. however while im not a developer for archlinux, i wouldnt waste time on obsolete systems when a better alternative saves me time; you may end up maintaining the initscripts yourself. keep that
Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd
On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: If it isn't broken, don't fix it. We put grub2 in [extra], not [core], for the same reason we really should put systemd in [extra] and not [core]. Don't get me wrong, but no one is putting anything anywhere. This is not a
