Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] GNOME3 in [testing]

2011-04-08 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Monaco dgbale...@verizon.net wrote: I like having volume control for HDMI out. And I like that this mysterious starving audio, playing silence, glitch has disappeared. But I don't like that pulse uses so much CPU and i think it's a major reason why my

Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] GNOME3 in [testing]

2011-04-08 Thread Brendan Long
On 04/08/2011 12:11 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Monaco dgbale...@verizon.net wrote: I like having volume control for HDMI out. And I like that this mysterious starving audio, playing silence, glitch has disappeared. But I don't like that pulse uses so much

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:16:46 +0200 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: On the other hand this issue could be solved in a different way without any further discussions. There's a need for installing one cron daemon, but no need for a default cron daemon. It's pretty the same issue as with

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 22:31 +0300, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Thomas S Hatch wrote: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis grb...@xsmail.comwrote: I guess you mean http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/32759 Thanks for the link, I did not want to bring up

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Divan Santana
On Friday 08 April 2011 09:44:14 Jelle van der Waa wrote: SELinux would maybe bring extra security too archlinux, but what I don't see in this thread is how much harder / more bugs it would make for developers/TU's to package if you use SELinux. Good point. So in general what is the

[arch-general] Archiso, archiso_early, and udev issues with live cd

2011-04-08 Thread Tom medhurst
Hi Guys, I'm attempting to create my own Arch Live CD and I can't get the archiso hook to complete successfully. In March 2010, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi removed the archiso_early hook from archiso.git, which used to mount /dev/archiso (I'm not entirely sure what this pointed to, but it's clearly

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Kaiting Chen
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: And on a side note, I don't like archlinux forcing users to use SELinux because users should have a choice to use any MAC software they want. That's why AppArmor /Tomoyo are nicer solutions cause they don't require

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread Kaiting Chen
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.bewrote: On the other hand this issue could be solved in a different way without any further discussions. There's a need for installing one cron daemon, but no need for a default cron daemon. It's pretty the same issue as

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:45:29 -0400 Kaiting Chen kaitocr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.bewrote: On the other hand this issue could be solved in a different way without any further discussions. There's a need for installing one

Re: [arch-general] Archiso, archiso_early, and udev issues with live cd

2011-04-08 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 8 Apr 2011 11:42:25 +0100 schrieb Tom medhurst tom.medhu...@gmail.com: I'm attempting to create my own Arch Live CD and I can't get the archiso hook to complete successfully. In March 2010, Gerardo Exequiel Pozzi removed the archiso_early hook from archiso.git, which used to mount

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread Kaiting Chen
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.bewrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:45:29 -0400 Kaiting Chen kaitocr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.bewrote: On the other hand this issue could be solved in a different

Re: [arch-general] Archiso, archiso_early, and udev issues with live cd

2011-04-08 Thread Tom medhurst
Thanks Heiko! That bug contains the same error message, but not sure it's for the same reason. /dev/sr0 doesn't appear either for me. For clarity, is /dev/disk/by-label/MY_LABEL supposed to point to my installation CD, so isomounts can be loaded? Is that what this is trying to do? I did get a

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Allan McRae
On 08/04/11 20:43, Kaiting Chen wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jelle van der Waaje...@vdwaa.nl wrote: And on a side note, I don't like archlinux forcing users to use SELinux because users should have a choice to use any MAC software they want. That's why AppArmor /Tomoyo are nicer

Re: [arch-general] Archiso, archiso_early, and udev issues with live cd

2011-04-08 Thread Tom medhurst
/lib/udev/rules.d/ contains 60-cdrom_id.rules which looks for cdroms and makes them /dev/sr#. So I'm guessing it's not seeing the disk that the initrd is loaded from? On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Tom medhurst tom.medhu...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks Heiko! That bug contains the same error

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread Allan McRae
On 08/04/11 07:16, Heiko Baums wrote: But let's try to get objective again. No need. A new cron for [core] has to pass only one condition... :) 1) a developer is willing to maintain it. So far that seems to be Thomas and fcron. Anyway, I recall mention in our bug report of a patch being

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Kaiting Chen
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: In my opinion, SELinux would be better supported in a user provided repo. Work with the guy (whose name I can not remember...) who has done an awesome job getting this all done and into the AUR. Okay I don't know a thing

Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] GNOME3 in [testing]

2011-04-08 Thread Bernardo Barros
Hi guys, Can't pulseaudio be moved to optdepends? Best, Bernardo

Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] GNOME3 in [testing]

2011-04-08 Thread Allan McRae
On 08/04/11 22:54, Bernardo Barros wrote: Hi guys, Can't pulseaudio be moved to optdepends? No. It is an upstream requirement.

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Nicky726
Dne pátek 08 dubna 2011 12:43:51 Kaiting Chen napsal(a): On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: And on a side note, I don't like archlinux forcing users to use SELinux because users should have a choice to use any MAC software they want. That's why AppArmor

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
Nicky726 wrote: If I may add more to this SELinux related thread, I would like to aply for TU and bring SELinux packages to community in the summer, to make using SELinux easier. I dont think thats gonna work since you'll have to provide the same packages as in [core] built differently.

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Allan McRae
On 09/04/11 00:24, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Nicky726 wrote: If I may add more to this SELinux related thread, I would like to aply for TU and bring SELinux packages to community in the summer, to make using SELinux easier. I dont think thats gonna work since you'll have to provide the same

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: On 09/04/11 00:24, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Nicky726 wrote: If I may add more to this SELinux related thread, I would like to aply for TU and bring SELinux packages to community in the summer, to make using SELinux easier. I dont think thats gonna

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Dieter Plaetinck die...@plaetinck.bewrote: On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:16:46 +0200 Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: On the other hand this issue could be solved in a different way without any further discussions. There's a need for installing one cron

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: On 08/04/11 07:16, Heiko Baums wrote: But let's try to get objective again. No need. A new cron for [core] has to pass only one condition... :) 1) a developer is willing to maintain it. So far that seems to be

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Nicky726 nicky...@gmail.com wrote: Dne pátek 08 dubna 2011 12:43:51 Kaiting Chen napsal(a): On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: And on a side note, I don't like archlinux forcing users to use SELinux because users

[arch-general] miro very slow to start

2011-04-08 Thread Jorge Almeida
Title says it all I installed it today. I even thought it wouldn't start, but it did, eventually $ miro --debug DEBUGGING MODE. GNU gdb (GDB) 7.2 Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html This is free software:

Re: [arch-general] Change Arch's default crond

2011-04-08 Thread David C. Rankin
On 04/06/2011 10:34 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: Upstream stability makes sense. If redhat is behind cronie, then that seems like the logical choice. Why is this logical? Is it the developer what makes a software good or is it the features and the stability? If Redhat's cronie has less features

Re: [arch-general] Archiso, archiso_early, and udev issues with live cd

2011-04-08 Thread Tom medhurst
Fixed it. This problem seems to generally mean there is problem with the kernel image. I built my own with mkinitcpio and everything is hunky-dory now :) On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Tom medhurst tom.medhu...@gmail.comwrote: /lib/udev/rules.d/ contains 60-cdrom_id.rules which looks for

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Friday, April 08, 2011 05:43:51 Kaiting Chen wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: And on a side note, I don't like archlinux forcing users to use SELinux because users should have a choice to use any MAC software they want. That's why AppArmor

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Yaro Kasear y...@marupa.net wrote: On Friday, April 08, 2011 05:43:51 Kaiting Chen wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Jelle van der Waa je...@vdwaa.nl wrote: And on a side note, I don't like archlinux forcing users to use SELinux because users should

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:55:16 -0600 schrieb Thomas S Hatch thatc...@gmail.com: Yaro makes many good points, I think that my recommendation would be to allow someone to maintain support for SELinux in community. If SELinux support is deemed something that would be a good idea to move to core in

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Jeremiah Dodds
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: I'd prefer a separate [selinux] repo. So that people know what they are doing. +1 from a users perspective, the changes in a machine's setup from non-SE to SE are non-trivial to the point that a separate repo would make

Re: [arch-general] miro very slow to start

2011-04-08 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 16:20 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: Title says it all I installed it today. I even thought it wouldn't start, but it did, eventually $ miro --debug DEBUGGING MODE. GNU gdb (GDB) 7.2 Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On Fri, 2011-04-08 at 16:08 -0400, Jeremiah Dodds wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de wrote: I'd prefer a separate [selinux] repo. So that people know what they are doing. +1 from a users perspective, the changes in a machine's setup from non-SE to

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Allan McRae
On 09/04/11 00:53, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Allan McRaeal...@archlinux.org wrote: On 09/04/11 00:24, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Nicky726 wrote: If I may add more to this SELinux related thread, I would like to aply for TU and bring SELinux packages to community in the summer, to make using

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: On 09/04/11 00:53, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Allan McRaeal...@archlinux.org wrote: On 09/04/11 00:24, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Nicky726 wrote: If I may add more to this SELinux related thread, I would like to aply

Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] GNOME3 in [testing]

2011-04-08 Thread Matthew Monaco
On 04/08/2011 02:11 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Monacodgbale...@verizon.net wrote: I like having volume control for HDMI out. And I like that this mysterious starving audio, playing silence, glitch has disappeared. But I don't like that pulse uses so much

Re: [arch-general] base stuff

2011-04-08 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Thomas S Hatch thatc...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Allan McRae al...@archlinux.org wrote: Anyway, I still see nothing wrong with creating SELinux packages and having them available in [community], although I would like to see a separate repo

Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] GNOME3 in [testing]

2011-04-08 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Matthew Monaco dgbale...@verizon.net wrote: On 04/08/2011 02:11 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Monacodgbale...@verizon.net  wrote: I like having volume control for HDMI out. And I like that this mysterious starving audio,

Re: [arch-general] [arch-announce] GNOME3 in [testing]

2011-04-08 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Matthew Monaco dgbale...@verizon.net wrote: On 04/08/2011 02:11 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Matthew Monacodgbale...@verizon.net  wrote: But I don't like that pulse uses so much CPU and i think it's a major reason why my computer