Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-09 23:20:38 -0500] David C. Rankin: > Any background on why files such as 'login' are changing packages? Click on the "Subscribe" button there: http://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-dev-public -- Gaetan pgpvYHz2n2KMz.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread David C. Rankin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/09/2012 11:38 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Hmm.. pacman should have taken care of this automatically. > > Do: pacman -Sy && pacman -Su --ignore util-linux,shadow && pacman -S shadow > util-linux. If the last call fails, use --force. > > /bin/login

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Jul 10, 2012 4:03 AM, "Kevin Mihelich" wrote: >> I'd be more than happy to work with more developers from upstream, and I >> just want to re-emphasize that we're in no way some rogue derivative > flying >> your flag. If anyone wants to get i

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Jul 10, 2012 4:03 AM, "Kevin Mihelich" wrote: > I'd be more than happy to work with more developers from upstream, and I > just want to re-emphasize that we're in no way some rogue derivative flying > your flag. If anyone wants to get involved or learn more about what goes > on, feel free to c

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Kevin Mihelich
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:35 PM, David C. Rankin < drankina...@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: > On 07/09/2012 12:54 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: > >> Judging from a brief read of that paragraph I would even conclude that >> they cannot really use our name and trademark directly as they changed >> too muc

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/09/2012 12:54 PM, Pierre Schmitz wrote: Judging from a brief read of that paragraph I would even conclude that they cannot really use our name and trademark directly as they changed too much. :-) They chose to be completely independent from us which has up- and downsides. And as lots of ot

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Pierre Schmitz
Am 09.07.2012 18:44, schrieb Tom Gundersen: > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM, David C. Rankin > wrote: >> On 07/09/2012 11:16 AM, Daniel Wallace wrote: >>> >>> Because Archlinuxarm is unsupported by Archlinux. it is a seperate >>> project. The same reason archbang, chakra, bridgelinux, and >>> ar

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 09.07.2012 18:23, schrieb Mateusz Loskot: > p.s. I agree the official logo makes the ArchLinux ARM status confusing. Maybe we should ask them to use a slightly modified logo (maybe include a microchip into the logo, or another small device). I don't remember what the agreement with Arch Linux

Re: [arch-general] segfaults and call trace

2012-07-09 Thread P .NIKOLIC
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:31:05 -0500 Leonid Isaev wrote: > On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:39:44 +0100 > "P .NIKOLIC" wrote: > > > > > Hi I am all of a sudden getting lots of these Call Trace reports > > in the log and just prior to that was having > > > > Jul 9 10:12:03 7-of-9 kernel: [ 9092.341622]

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:49 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > Tom, All, > > I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked > in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: > > (72/72) checking for file conflicts > [###

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:49:46 -0500 > "David C. Rankin" wrote: > >> Tom, All, >> >>I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked >> in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: >> >> (72

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > On 9 July 2012 17:11, Daniel Wallace wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: >>> On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin >>> wrote: >>> > Tom, All, >>> > >>> > I ran into the following error regarding util-l

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:21:29 -0500 "David C. Rankin" wrote: > On 07/09/2012 11:16 AM, Daniel Wallace wrote: > > Because Archlinuxarm is unsupported by Archlinux. it is a seperate > > project. The same reason archbang, chakra, bridgelinux, and > > archlinux-ppc are seperate as well. > > G. T

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:21 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 07/09/2012 11:16 AM, Daniel Wallace wrote: >> >> Because Archlinuxarm is unsupported by Archlinux. it is a seperate >> project. The same reason archbang, chakra, bridgelinux, and >> archlinux-ppc are seperate as well. > > > G. Thanks

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 10:49:46 -0500 "David C. Rankin" wrote: > Tom, All, > >I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked > in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: > > (72/72) checking for file conflicts > [#

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 9 July 2012 17:28, Ike Devolder wrote: > Op maandag 9 juli 2012 17:13:47 schreef Mateusz Loskot: >> On 9 July 2012 17:11, Daniel Wallace wrote: >> > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: >> >> On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Tom, A

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Ike Devolder
Op maandag 9 juli 2012 17:13:47 schreef Mateusz Loskot: > On 9 July 2012 17:11, Daniel Wallace wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > >> On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin wrote: > >> > Tom, All, > >> > > >> > I ran into the following error regarding uti

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/09/2012 11:10 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote: One strange thing is that the files generating the conflict are owned by the shadow package. I don't remember of any warning about forcing updates for util-linux in arch-devel. It seems to me like a packaging bug. Not a bug -- if the proble

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 9 July 2012 17:17, Daniel Wallace wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 05:13:47PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: >> On 9 July 2012 17:11, Daniel Wallace wrote: >> > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: >> >> On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin >> >> wrote: >> >> > Tom,

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 9 July 2012 17:16, Daniel Wallace wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:06:55AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: >> On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:> Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: >> > >> > http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467 >> >> Why do we have different foru

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/09/2012 11:16 AM, Daniel Wallace wrote: Because Archlinuxarm is unsupported by Archlinux. it is a seperate project. The same reason archbang, chakra, bridgelinux, and archlinux-ppc are seperate as well. G. Thanks Daniel, That's what was confusing -- ARM certainly looks official fl

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread rafael ff1
2012/7/9 Daniel Wallace : > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:06:55AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: >> On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:> Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: >> > >> > http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467 >> >> Why do we have different forum systems with diff

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 11:06:55AM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:> Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: > > > > http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467 > > Why do we have different forum systems with different login > requirements for d

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 9 July 2012 17:11, Daniel Wallace wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: >> On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin wrote: >> > Tom, All, >> > >> > I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked >> > in the forum and the website, but no

Re: [arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 9 July 2012 17:06, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:> Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: >> >> http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467 > > Why do we have different forum systems with different login requirements > for different Arch issues?

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:52:08PM +0100, Mateusz Loskot wrote: > On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin wrote: > > Tom, All, > > > > I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked > > in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: > > > > (72/72

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 1:01 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: >> >> Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: >> >> http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467 >> >> where filesystem upgrade is suggested: >> >> pacman -Syuf >> >> But, I'd wait until som

[arch-general] Why Multiple Forums for different issues? Arch Linux/ARM?

2012-07-09 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote:> Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: > > http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467 Why do we have different forum systems with different login requirements for different Arch issues? Seem like KISS would dictate - 1 system and 1 login

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/09/2012 10:52 AM, Mateusz Loskot wrote: Check the ArchLinux ARM forum: http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3036&p=18467 where filesystem upgrade is suggested: pacman -Syuf But, I'd wait until someone confirms it is the right way to go. Thank you Mateusz! We will wait for

Re: [arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread Mateusz Loskot
On 9 July 2012 16:49, David C. Rankin wrote: > Tom, All, > > I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked > in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: > > (72/72) checking for file conflicts > [###]

[arch-general] util-linux pacman error, file conflicts (safe to force?)

2012-07-09 Thread David C. Rankin
Tom, All, I ran into the following error regarding util-linux upgrade. I've looked in the forum and the website, but nothing specific to it. The error is: (72/72) checking for file conflicts [###] 100% error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > AFAIK, but this can be wrong, the real problem with NM is not having read-only > resolv.conf, but protecting /etc/hosts... I don't see a problem with read-only /etc/hosts. It shouldn't contain anything other than "::1 localhost" anyway. Use ns

Re: [arch-general] segfaults and call trace

2012-07-09 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:39:44 +0100 "P .NIKOLIC" wrote: > > Hi I am all of a sudden getting lots of these Call Trace reports in > the log and just prior to that was having > > Jul 9 10:12:03 7-of-9 kernel: [ 9092.341622] claws-mail[2310] general > protection ip:7feef8e5b2f1 sp:7fff657bdcd0 er

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:51:11 +0200 Tom Gundersen wrote: >[...] > > What should work (but might not!): /etc and /usr (and /lib, /sbin, > /bin) should be able to be mounted read-only. I expect you'll have to > figure out how to deal with /etc/resolv.conf, I wonder if > NetworkManager has learnt how

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-09 Thread Giorgio Lando
On lun 09/07/12, 07:38, Genes MailLists wrote: > Now certain bash commands (e.g. "su -") give this error (sorry for wrap) > > -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale > (en_US.UTF-8): No such file or directory > -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale > (en_U

Re: [arch-general] How to make wicd work under systemd?

2012-07-09 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> The initscripts-systemd package will add support for both rc.local and >> individual rc.d scripts. > > Cool so the statement from the design document. > > "So, let's get rid of shell scripts in the boot process!" > > Is more like reduce than

Re: [arch-general] How to make wicd work under systemd?

2012-07-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Since you decided /not/ to google and try writing one on your own, > here's a two-liner. You shouldn't need to Google to be sure of that. Thankyou for saving me more time than it cost you. > --- > [Service] > ExecStart=/usr/bin/xinetd -dontfork > --- > > > I guess you can fall back to rc anywa

Re: [arch-general] Free photo scan software with batch process?

2012-07-09 Thread Vitor Garcia
Em 09-07-2012 02:53, Arvid Warnecke escreveu: I am looking for a software for my Epson V700 Photo scanner which is able to scan in batch mode. You should install sane: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sane Then you can use the command line. Read the manual: $ man scanimage Cheers, Vitor

Re: [arch-general] How to make wicd work under systemd?

2012-07-09 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> I write my own because >> "systemctl enable wicd.service" failed >> The error message is >> Failed to issue method call: File exists >> >> >> So I decide to google and write it on my own > > So what would be the bare minimum unit file t

[arch-general] segfaults and call trace

2012-07-09 Thread P .NIKOLIC
Hi I am all of a sudden getting lots of these Call Trace reports in the log and just prior to that was having Jul 9 10:12:03 7-of-9 kernel: [ 9092.341622] claws-mail[2310] general protection ip:7feef8e5b2f1 sp:7fff657bdcd0 error:0 in libhogweed.so.2.1[7feef8e5+12000] Jul 9 10:12:36 7-of-

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-09 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/09/12 07:48, Dave Reisner wrote: You need to regenerate your locales with 'locale-gen'. Thank you both - that fixed it (I needed to uncomment en_US_xxx in /etc/locale-gen first. thanks again gene

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-09 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_CTYPE: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): No > such file or directory > -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_NUMERIC: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF-8): > No such file or directory > -bash: warning: setlocale: LC_TIM

Re: [arch-general] [aur-general] [arch-dev-public] final leg of /lib removal

2012-07-09 Thread Genes MailLists
After the latest glibc update in testing I found the following issue. The udpate to glibc 2.16.0-2 went well - and /lib is now a soft link to /usr/lib. Things seemed to be fine - I was using computer with no problems, then after a sleep/resume cycle my kde session logged me out. I re

Re: [arch-general] Upgrading password hashes

2012-07-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> further: > > http://stackoverflow.com/a/1561245/404019 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bcrypt > > ... i can't find any literature suggesting sha512 decreases your > security, and no reason to bother switching. both are good solutions. This is interesting WRT memory usage. Whether it's a reason

Re: [arch-general] How to make wicd work under systemd?

2012-07-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> >> I write my own because > >> "systemctl enable wicd.service" failed > >> The error message is > >> Failed to issue method call: File exists > >> > >> > >> So I decide to google and write it on my own > > > > So what would be the bare minimum unit file to add a commandline. I ask > > becau

Re: [arch-general] Free photo scan software with batch process?

2012-07-09 Thread Jayesh Badwaik
On Monday 09 Jul 2012 07:53:59 Arvid Warnecke wrote: > Hi, > > this is not too much Arch related, but maybe there are some analogue > photographers on the list who can give me some hints? > I am looking for a software for my Epson V700 Photo scanner which is > able to scan in batch mode. > I insta

Re: [arch-general] How to make wicd work under systemd?

2012-07-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> I write my own because >> "systemctl enable wicd.service" failed >> The error message is >> Failed to issue method call: File exists >> >> >> So I decide to google and write it on my own > > So what would be the bare minimum unit file to

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> /tmp is a tmpfs for a default Arch install, so you don't need to worry about > that. So it is, likely on the clients too and so may not have applied here anyway. -- Why not do something good every day and install BOINC. __

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Paul Gideon Dann
On Monday 09 Jul 2012 10:08:51 you wrote: > My setup has the nodes mounting root rw, but in practice they never touch it > except for when I run an upgrade or do some manual configuration, which I > usually do from a node (because it's easier). Oh, also, my setup has a separate root shared by the

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Paul Gideon Dann
On Monday 09 Jul 2012 10:11:43 Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > No experiece at all, but I'd say that /var must be writeable too. Think of > > it some like the /home of the system, so you should have one per machine > > in > > the NFS server. > And /tmp. /tmp is a tmpfs for a default Arch install, so you

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > I'd use connman for handling the net connection and it seems to require a > > writable /var/lib/connman/ > > > > No experiece at all, but I'd say that /var must be writeable too. Think of > it some like the /home of the system, so you should have one per machine in > the NFS server. > > Jus

Re: [arch-general] How to make wicd work under systemd?

2012-07-09 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> I write my own because > "systemctl enable wicd.service" failed > The error message is > Failed to issue method call: File exists > > > So I decide to google and write it on my own So what would be the bare minimum unit file to add a commandline. I ask because polkit is rediculous to edit

Re: [arch-general] Free photo scan software with batch process?

2012-07-09 Thread Martti Kühne
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 07:53:59AM +0200, Arvid Warnecke wrote: > Hi, > > this is not too much Arch related, but maybe there are some analogue > photographers on the list who can give me some hints? > I am looking for a software for my Epson V700 Photo scanner which is > able to scan in batch mode

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Florian Pritz
On 09.07.2012 10:10, Damjan wrote: > Has anyone done any research on stateless ArchLinux instances. > > A stateless Arch would be one where the root filesystem is mounted > read-only and nothing changes there. Thus it can mounted over network > (using NFS, NBD and similar) by several, diskless,

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Paul Gideon Dann
On Monday 09 Jul 2012 10:10:07 Damjan wrote: > Has anyone done any research on stateless ArchLinux instances. > > A stateless Arch would be one where the root filesystem is mounted > read-only and nothing changes there. Thus it can mounted over network > (using NFS, NBD and similar) by several, di

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Damjan wrote: >> Has anyone done any research on stateless ArchLinux instances. >> >> A stateless Arch would be one where the root filesystem is mounted read-only >> and nothing changes there. Thus it can mou

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Damjan wrote: > Has anyone done any research on stateless ArchLinux instances. > > A stateless Arch would be one where the root filesystem is mounted read-only > and nothing changes there. Thus it can mounted over network (using NFS, NBD > and similar) by several,

Re: [arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Rodrigo Rivas
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Damjan wrote: > I'd use connman for handling the net connection and it seems to require a > writable /var/lib/connman/ > No experiece at all, but I'd say that /var must be writeable too. Think of it some like the /home of the system, so you should have one per ma

[arch-general] Stateless Arch

2012-07-09 Thread Damjan
Has anyone done any research on stateless ArchLinux instances. A stateless Arch would be one where the root filesystem is mounted read-only and nothing changes there. Thus it can mounted over network (using NFS, NBD and similar) by several, diskless, PCs at the same time. I plan to have per u