Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> I wonder if ArmArch will run systemd. > > ArchLinux ARM ships systemd, just like we do. On my ARM machine (a > Raspberry Pi running ArchLinux ARM) I use it, and as I mentioned it > w

Re: [arch-general] systemd network configuration

2012-07-24 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:44 PM, David Benfell wrote: > > Hi, > > Because it's summer, and I'd really rather not try to figure all this > out during the school year, I'm trying to figure out systemd *now*, > rather than waiting until rc.conf goes away. > > I actually had trouble with rc.conf when

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Mike Smith
My 1.2 pence: I would prefer that rc.conf is kept as one file, or at least do it well. W dniu wtorek, 24 lipca 2012 użytkownik Gaetan Bisson napisał: > [2012-07-24 16:07:50 +0200] Heiko Baums: > > Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. > > > > Everything is and should sta

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread okraits
> Bad programming is the most favorite answer, and totally nonsense. The > registry just gets bigger and bigger and is totally cryptic. And the > registry is one of the most frequent reasons for system crashes and > instabilities. And it's the most frequent reason why Windoze regularly > (usually e

Re: [arch-general] pacman and corrupt packages

2012-07-24 Thread Ike Devolder
Op woensdag 25 juli 2012 10:30:21 schreef Shridhar Daithankar: > On Tuesday 24 Jul 2012 11:58:14 PM Jeremiah Dodds wrote: > > Oon-Ee Ng writes: > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jeremiah Dodds > > > > > >> Does it continue after a "pacman -Scc"? > > > > > > Why are you recommending clearin

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Nelson Marambio
Am 25.07.2012 02:00, schrieb Heiko Baums: Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:31:22 -0500 [...] And it's the most frequent reason why Windoze regularly (usually every 3 months) needs to be reinstalled. Heiko Good morning, that is / was right for Win 98 or Win ME. Having an exception error which was ca

Re: [arch-general] pacman and corrupt packages

2012-07-24 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
On Tuesday 24 Jul 2012 11:58:14 PM Jeremiah Dodds wrote: > Oon-Ee Ng writes: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jeremiah Dodds > >> Does it continue after a "pacman -Scc"? > > > > Why are you recommending clearing his entire cache (which can be quite > > useful) when he's already specifically

Re: [arch-general] Failed to compile Emacs

2012-07-24 Thread Diep Pham Van
I must use `autoreconf -i -I m4` in order to build. On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 10:11:42 -0500 Leonid Isaev wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:40:09 +0700 > Diep Pham Van wrote: > > > After apply this patch, I get: > > > > cd /home/favadi/abs/emacs/src/emacs-24.1 && automake --gnu -a -c > > lib/Makefile

Re: [arch-general] pacman and corrupt packages

2012-07-24 Thread Jeremiah Dodds
Oon-Ee Ng writes: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jeremiah Dodds > wrote: >> Shridhar Daithankar writes: >> >>> I deleted ati-dri package and redownloaded it. This time, without any >>> timeouts >>> and it still failed the upgrade with same error for the same package. >>> >>> So I uninstall

Re: [arch-general] pacman and corrupt packages

2012-07-24 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Jeremiah Dodds wrote: > Shridhar Daithankar writes: > >> I deleted ati-dri package and redownloaded it. This time, without any >> timeouts >> and it still failed the upgrade with same error for the same package. >> >> So I uninstalled ati-dri and xf86-video-ati.

Re: [arch-general] pacman and corrupt packages

2012-07-24 Thread Jeremiah Dodds
Shridhar Daithankar writes: > I deleted ati-dri package and redownloaded it. This time, without any > timeouts > and it still failed the upgrade with same error for the same package. > > So I uninstalled ati-dri and xf86-video-ati. I have intel card and got all > those extra drivers because I

Re: [arch-general] pacman and corrupt packages

2012-07-24 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
Followup, On Wednesday 25 Jul 2012 9:03:42 AM Shridhar Daithankar wrote: > With pacman -sy --debug I get following error snippet > > - > debug: found cached pkg: /var/cache/pacman/pkg/ati-dri-8.0.4-2- > x86_64.pkg.tar.xz > debug: sig data: > iQEcBAABAgAGBQJQC9QHAAoJEJRlerIPKgkrd/EH/j

[arch-general] pacman and corrupt packages

2012-07-24 Thread Shridhar Daithankar
Hello All, Last few days my net connection drops randomly or slows down to a crawl. As a result, there are several timeouts during package downloads. When a download timeout occurs, pacman aborts with "invalid or corrupted package". Is it possible to detect which package is corrupt and invalid,

[arch-general] systemd network configuration

2012-07-24 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Because it's summer, and I'd really rather not try to figure all this out during the school year, I'm trying to figure out systemd *now*, rather than waiting until rc.conf goes away. I actually had trouble with rc.conf when I first installed Arch

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Seriously, who reads source codes? Manpages usually only explain the > parameters, not the design of the software and how it works. There may > be some other documentations, I haven't yet seen any. Overview of the bootprocess under systemd: ht

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:25:52 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen : > Talking about "UNIX philosophy" and "Windoze like ini files" is > probably what gets some people going. It is not technical. In fact it is technical. Of course, at first glance config files for rc scripts and ini files are simple text f

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:31:22 -0500 schrieb Leonid Isaev : > The problem is not with the registry itself, but bad programming. Most > software devs under windows have very little understanding of the > registry. Bad programming is the most favorite answer, and totally nonsense. The registry just g

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:08:26 -0500 schrieb Leonid Isaev : > One thing I noticed is that the only people who usually bash Windows > are those who don't develop or know very little about programming. You really shouldn't do such assumptions. You couldn't have noticed it, you're just assuming. > Wh

Re: [arch-general] OT: Something good happened

2012-07-24 Thread Ionut Biru
On 07/25/2012 01:27 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > When using Evolution on Xfce the color theme was broken for a long time. > Some text was unreadable. Today it's fixed :). I already thought about > switching to LXDE. No need to do so now. > This is magic! > Thanx, > Ralf > -- Ionuț signature.

[arch-general] OT: Something good happened

2012-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
When using Evolution on Xfce the color theme was broken for a long time. Some text was unreadable. Today it's fixed :). I already thought about switching to LXDE. No need to do so now. Thanx, Ralf

Re: [arch-general] vboxbuild: command not found

2012-07-24 Thread Martin Cigorraga
Oh well! -- -msx

Re: [arch-general] vboxbuild: command not found

2012-07-24 Thread Martin Cigorraga
> > Somewhere on a mailing list was announced by a maintainer, that > vboxbuild would be replaced by the use of dkms. But I can't recall > completely where this was mentioned. > Here!: http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2012-July/028477.html -- -msx

Re: [arch-general] Roadmap for user-intervention upgrades [was: Still Glibc problems]

2012-07-24 Thread David C. Rankin
On 07/24/2012 01:15 AM, Martin Cigorraga wrote: > The beauty behind this is we are now enjoying the new paradigm without > reinstalling the > system while with other distros your only chance to make the switch is > reinstall not only > your OS but everything else! > Cheers. Now that... is the beau

Re: [arch-general] vboxbuild: command not found

2012-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 19:09 -0300, rafael ff1 wrote: > http://www.mail-archive.com/arch-general@archlinux.org/msg28434.html Thank you, sorry, I read the thread now. Regards, Ralf

Re: [arch-general] vboxbuild: command not found

2012-07-24 Thread Christoph Vigano
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Somewhere on a mailing list was announced by a maintainer, that vboxbuild would be replaced by the use of dkms. But I can't recall completely where this was mentioned. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using Gn

Re: [arch-general] vboxbuild: command not found

2012-07-24 Thread rafael ff1
2012/7/24 Ralf Mardorf : > Hi, > > after upgrading, including the switch from /lib to /usr/lib virtualbox > still is ok for kernel 3.4.6-1-ARCH, but when I try to build the modules > for kernel 3.4.4-rt13-2-rt the vboxbuild command doesn't exist. > Until now nothing else seems to be borked. > > [ro

[arch-general] vboxbuild: command not found

2012-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, after upgrading, including the switch from /lib to /usr/lib virtualbox still is ok for kernel 3.4.6-1-ARCH, but when I try to build the modules for kernel 3.4.4-rt13-2-rt the vboxbuild command doesn't exist. Until now nothing else seems to be borked. [root@archlinux spinymouse]# uname -a Linu

Re: [arch-general] linux 3.5-1 - No volume groups found

2012-07-24 Thread David Strobach
On Tuesday 24 of July 2012 17:21:46 BOYPT wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > > On 24.07.2012 10:51, BOYPT wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra > >> > >> wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >>> after upgrading to linux 3.5-1 yesterday my computer

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [RFC, after the fact] initscripts config

2012-07-24 Thread Menachem Moystoviz
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 12:46:52 +0200 > Tom Gundersen wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Yclept Nemo wrote: >> > 3) Personally this depends on the final rc.conf, is [1] or [2] going >> > to be it? >> > [1] >> > http://projects.archlin

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:36:05AM +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The pain is the need to merge new changes while updating. Some tools > (like pacdiff) can help with the job but it's very frustrating to have > one configuration file and merge lot of changes in it. Especially when > it comes to co

Re: [arch-general] lib -> usr/lib

2012-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 15:52 -0400, Daniel Wallace wrote: > remove udev-compat it is old, either update ld-lsb from aur or remove it > > as for the find, remove any un owned files from anything under /lib. > then remove any empty directories > > then update Thank you :) at least it's not bad tha

Re: [arch-general] lib -> usr/lib

2012-07-24 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:48:00PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I laugh away this trouble. > Is there any information about the advantages of lib -> usr/lib? > I like to read it, after I finished the following occupational therapy [1]. > I suspect that if I won't do it now, I have to restore my Arc

[arch-general] lib -> usr/lib

2012-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I laugh away this trouble. Is there any information about the advantages of lib -> usr/lib? I like to read it, after I finished the following occupational therapy [1]. I suspect that if I won't do it now, I have to restore my Arch from a backup? Or can I shutdown and startup anyway? Regards, Ralf

Re: [arch-general] pm-hibernate not working since update to 3.4.5-1-ARCH

2012-07-24 Thread Arvid Warnecke
Hi Ike, On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 04:27:41PM +0200, Ike Devolder wrote: > Op zaterdag 21 juli 2012 13:30:24 schreef Arvid Warnecke: > > Worked well. > > But did not solve the problem. Hibernation still seems to work at first, > > but when I start the laptop it boots normally, fscks disks because of

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > I wonder if ArmArch will run systemd. > > ArchLinux ARM ships systemd, just like we do. On my ARM machine (a > Raspberry Pi running ArchLinux ARM) I use it, and as I mentioned it > works great. > > > I hope desktop and embedded will >

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Over time it gets oversized, filled with crap, slow and totally impractical, > > in one word: bloated, and please, while windows may implement one > > or two good ideas the underlying infraestructure is as much messy > > as is it's registry. > > > > > > The problem is not with the registry

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 13:02:24 -0300 Martin Cigorraga wrote: > "What exactly is wrong > with ini files and/or registry? Perhaps it is your misunderstanding..." > > Oh please, if you ever dealt with windows registry then you know > it's a totally disfunctional way to keep record of anything. Yes,

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > I wonder if ArmArch will run systemd. ArchLinux ARM ships systemd, just like we do. On my ARM machine (a Raspberry Pi running ArchLinux ARM) I use it, and as I mentioned it works great. > I hope desktop and embedded will > get closer not f

Re: [arch-general] rc.local.shutdown equivalent in systemd

2012-07-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/24/2012 06:38 AM, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: Shouldn't it be just [Unit] Description=Unload module before shutdown [Service] Type=oneshot ExecStart=/usr/bin/rmmod modulename [Install] WantedBy=shutdown.target Without multi-user.target or Before=? In this above approach - can you be cert

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> The registry is more debatable. I certainly wish Windows still had ini files and didn't make you eat with just a knife on a Gigantic API ;-) -- Why not do something good every day and install BOINC.

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Personally, I get exasperated when people don't take the time to > educate themselves before making broad and incorrect assertions. There > is a huge amount of documentation, discussion and other sources of > information about systemd available online. Moreover, there is the > source-code, and ev

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > > I am sorry you think any thing you have will be a waste of time. > > I am looking at this "problem" of moving to systemd, staying with current > > init scripts or moving in the LSB init scripts direction. In order for one > > to make an infor

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Martin Cigorraga
"What exactly is wrong with ini files and/or registry? Perhaps it is your misunderstanding..." Oh please, if you ever dealt with windows registry then you know it's a totally disfunctional way to keep record of anything. Over time it gets oversized, filled with crap, slow and totally impractical,

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Denis A . Altoé Falqueto
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Christoph Vigano wrote: > Am 7/24/2012 4:51 PM, schrieb Mantas Mikulėnas: > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Heiko Baums >> wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. >> >> >> I honestly don't know if this is serious. What i

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Stephen E. Baker
On 24/07/2012 11:08 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:07:50 +0200 Heiko Baums wrote: Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:40:51 +1000 schrieb Gaetan Bisson : Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. One thing I noticed is that the only people who usually bash Windows ar

Re: [arch-general] LSB init scripts

2012-07-24 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:12:55 -0400 Baho Utot wrote: > On 07/24/2012 11:05 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Baho Utot > > wrote: > >> I have seen some comments here about LSB init scripts. > >> > >> Anyone know where I might obtain an example LSB script template? > >

Re: [arch-general] LSB init scripts

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > Is there a development in process to take arch init scripts and mold them > into something that is complies with LSB. No. We are not interested in moving initscripts to LSB. In my opinion it is a big mess with hardly any benefit. -t

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Ike Devolder
Op dinsdag 24 juli 2012 10:51:05 schreef Calvin Morrison: > On 24 July 2012 10:43, Ike Devolder wrote: > > Op dinsdag 24 juli 2012 10:29:25 schreef Calvin Morrison: > >> > Personally, I get exasperated when people don't take the time to > >> > educate themselves before making broad and incorrect a

Re: [arch-general] LSB init scripts

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/24/2012 11:05 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Baho Utot wrote: I have seen some comments here about LSB init scripts. Anyone know where I might obtain an example LSB script template? Most distros who use sysvinit (not Arch though) use some version of LSB script

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:07:50 +0200 Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:40:51 +1000 > schrieb Gaetan Bisson : > > Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. One thing I noticed is that the only people who usually bash Windows are those who don't develop or know very

Re: [arch-general] LSB init scripts

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > I have seen some comments here about LSB init scripts. > > Anyone know where I might obtain an example LSB script template? Most distros who use sysvinit (not Arch though) use some version of LSB scripts, take Debian as an example [0]. Each dist

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Christoph Vigano wrote: > But, those are not Windows-like INI-Files. Those files are meant to be > following some XDG Desktop File Descripton Standard Whose Name I Not Now > (tm), making them easy parseable by existing libraries and programs that > implement this s

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: >> Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. > > I honestly don't know if this is serious. What is the difference > between a "key=value" rc.conf and a "key=value"

[arch-general] LSB init scripts

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
I have seen some comments here about LSB init scripts. Anyone know where I might obtain an example LSB script template?

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Christoph Vigano
Am 7/24/2012 4:51 PM, schrieb Mantas Mikulėnas: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. I honestly don't know if this is serious. What is the difference between a "key=value" rc.conf and a "key=value" ini file of syst

[arch-general] cups 1.6 translations need some help

2012-07-24 Thread Andreas Radke
Cups 1.6 will be shipped almost without any translation if things won't improve! If you want to help out don't hesitate. Call for help: http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L676 -Andy From the cups-dev list Michael Sweet: The localizations were hopelessly out-of-date. We've already received one upd

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. I honestly don't know if this is serious. What is the difference between a "key=value" rc.conf and a "key=value" ini file of systemd? -- Mantas Mikulėnas

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 24 July 2012 10:43, Ike Devolder wrote: > Op dinsdag 24 juli 2012 10:29:25 schreef Calvin Morrison: >> > Personally, I get exasperated when people don't take the time to >> > educate themselves before making broad and incorrect assertions. There >> > is a huge amount of documentation, discussio

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Ike Devolder
Op dinsdag 24 juli 2012 10:29:25 schreef Calvin Morrison: > > Personally, I get exasperated when people don't take the time to > > educate themselves before making broad and incorrect assertions. There > > is a huge amount of documentation, discussion and other sources of > > information about syst

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote: > Well for me I do not have the time to go about learning the latest and > greatest init system, desktop environment, whatever. I still use KDE3, > I use old school init systems... why? because I use my system to do > work not to tinker. I ne

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Calvin Morrison
> Personally, I get exasperated when people don't take the time to > educate themselves before making broad and incorrect assertions. There > is a huge amount of documentation, discussion and other sources of > information about systemd available online. Moreover, there is the > source-code, and ev

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: > But I think e.g. regarding the UNIX philosophy he is totally right. And > Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. > Everything is and should stay a file, and every tool should do only > one task but this should be done

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-24 16:07:50 +0200] Heiko Baums: > Yes, I don't like those Windoze like ini files of systemd, too. > > Everything is and should stay a file, and every tool should do only > one task but this should be done well. How about having multiple files, each doing one thing and doing it well? Wait

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:07:50 +0200 schrieb Heiko Baums : > Btw., in all those discussions about systemd as well as in all those > discussions about PulseAudio, I always read more or less > technical arguments from people who have objections against them or > have tried them and have seen that they

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:40:51 +1000 schrieb Gaetan Bisson : > [2012-07-24 09:19:27 -0400] Baho Utot: > > He is stating his opinion and that should be valued > > Baseless opinions are not valuable, they are spam. Actually they are not baseless even if he didn't explain every single argument in

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > I am sorry you think any thing you have will be a waste of time. > I am looking at this "problem" of moving to systemd, staying with current > init scripts or moving in the LSB init scripts direction. In order for one > to make an informed decisi

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-24 09:19:27 -0400] Baho Utot: > He is stating his opinion and that should be valued Baseless opinions are not valuable, they are spam. > His > insight may keep one from doing something stupid simply because he > has looked at the problem from a different light and that should be > va

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/24/2012 09:09 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Systemd is larger than init, so for embedded it may well quadruple boot time. What utter bullshit. Please, Kevin, if you are going to throw around numbers, do some measurements first. You keep

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Baho Utot
On 07/24/2012 08:37 AM, Gaetan Bisson wrote: [2012-07-24 13:27:50 +0100] Kevin Chadwick: you may not see my points if you haven't done any research on the foundations of UNIX and/or security. How more ridiculous can you get? He is not being ridiculous. He is stating his opinion and that shou

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> > Systemd is >> > larger than init, so for embedded it may well quadruple boot time. >> >> What utter bullshit. Please, Kevin, if you are going to throw around >> numbers, do some measurements first. > > You keep picking on other subjects t

Re: [arch-general] Upcoming changes to virtualbox

2012-07-24 Thread Sébastien Luttringer
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Christian Hesse wrote: > Sébastien Luttringer on Mon, 2012/07/23 02:01: >> Some changes will be introduced in the next package release of virtualbox. > > This is when virtualbox 4.1.20 is released? Have not seen anything in the > testing repos yet. No, tonight or

Re: [arch-general] Upcoming changes to virtualbox

2012-07-24 Thread Christian Hesse
Sébastien Luttringer on Mon, 2012/07/23 02:01: > Some changes will be introduced in the next package release of virtualbox. This is when virtualbox 4.1.20 is released? Have not seen anything in the testing repos yet. -- main(a){char*c=/*Schoene Gruesse */"B?IJj;MEH" "

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-07-24 13:27:50 +0100] Kevin Chadwick: > you may not see my points if you haven't done any research on > the foundations of UNIX and/or security. How more ridiculous can you get? -- Gaetan

Re: [arch-general] Upcoming changes to virtualbox

2012-07-24 Thread Sébastien Luttringer
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:28 PM, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 07/23/2012 06:11 AM, Sébastien Luttringer wrote: >>> Come to think of this, would dkms then be a hard dep for virtualbox? >> dkms become an hard dep for virtualbox-source (and >> virtualbox-archlinux-source). You can still use virtualbox

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Couldn't have said it better. I'm not by any means a technical expert, but > even I could see how much "basis" his posts had (or didn't) Those posts were simply pointing out errors/assumptions in baseless posts and you may not see my points if you haven't done any research on the foundations of

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> >> Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config > >> files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of > >> course and can be fixed immediately by anyone without another OS or > >> machine. > > > > Did you read this before posting. It's obvious

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> For having used systemd myself, I am inclined to believe that it > definitely fits the KISS principle. I welcome the coss platform GUI for controlling services, however on Arch rc.conf served very well. I found I can see /etc/inittab and man inittab and edit. With systemd I had to Google then

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config > > files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of > > course and can be fixed immediately by anyone without another OS or > > machine. > > Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that wh

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Hi, > > Am 23.07.2012 17:29, schrieb Kevin Chadwick: > > Tested, simply sophisticated and as fast as you make it. > > There is no parallelization, no socket activation and no auto mounting. > In no way can it be as fast as systemd. > init=/bin/sh That happens a lot in embedded. > > Once yo

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> For instance, (open)webOS (and probably android) has gone the upstart way. Probably because it scales to the system. -- Why not do something good every day and install BOINC.

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> > Systemd is > > larger than init, so for embedded it may well quadruple boot time. > > What utter bullshit. Please, Kevin, if you are going to throw around > numbers, do some measurements first. You keep picking on other subjects too at one tiny part without considering all that I have said

Re: [arch-general] rc.local.shutdown equivalent in systemd

2012-07-24 Thread Manolo Martínez
On 07/24/12 at 12:44pm, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Rodrigo Rivas > wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:31 AM, James Nelson wrote: > > > >> On 07/23/12 20:10, Manolo Martínez wrote: > >> > > [Unit] > >> Description=Unload module before shutdown > >> Before=shutdown.t

Re: [arch-general] python needs /usr/include/?

2012-07-24 Thread Martti Kühne
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 01:01:45PM +0200, Christian Hesse wrote: > Rodrigo Rivas on Sat, 2012/07/21 00:36: > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Rodrigo Rivas > > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Christian Hesse wrote: > > > > > >> Hello everybody, > > >> > > >> I am creating l

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Aurko Roy
Hi, Thanks for your answer. In the end I decided to stick with systemd-sysvcompat with my own rc-local.service (since I didn't need the other stuff in the initscripts-systemd package). I must say I'm starting to like systemd despite the minor hiccups due to changes in conventions. -aurko On T

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Aurko Roy wrote: > Yeah it works fine with the initscripts-systemd package but I had > replaced that with the systemd-sysvcompat package for a pure systemd > setupd. I was wondering if there is a reason why they've discontinued > support for rc.local in that.

Re: [arch-general] rc.local.shutdown equivalent in systemd

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:31 AM, James Nelson wrote: > >> On 07/23/12 20:10, Manolo Martínez wrote: >> > [Unit] >> Description=Unload module before shutdown >> Before=shutdown.target >> >> [Service] >> Type=oneshot >> ExecStart=/usr/bin/rmm

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Aurko Roy
Hi, Yeah it works fine with the initscripts-systemd package but I had replaced that with the systemd-sysvcompat package for a pure systemd setupd. I was wondering if there is a reason why they've discontinued support for rc.local in that. AFAIK Fedora has a pure systemd setup (I may be wrong th

Re: [arch-general] rc.local.shutdown equivalent in systemd

2012-07-24 Thread Rodrigo Rivas
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:31 AM, James Nelson wrote: > On 07/23/12 20:10, Manolo Martínez wrote: > [Unit] > Description=Unload module before shutdown > Before=shutdown.target > > [Service] > Type=oneshot > ExecStart=/usr/bin/rmmod modulename > > [Install] > WantedBy=multi-user.target > > Haven't

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Damien Churchill
Hi, On 24 July 2012 11:25, Aurko Roy wrote: > > Thanks for the clarification. Also I was wondering if there was any > reason why Arch doesn't have the rc-local.service in systemd by > default. Have a look at the initscripts-systemd package, it contains rc-local and rc-local-shutdown service file

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 04:54:08 +0200, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 05:57:46PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Is debian switching That remains to be seen. If Debian intends to continue support for Hurd and KfreeBSD they can't move to systemd -- which relies on

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Aurko Roy
Hi, Thanks for the clarification. Also I was wondering if there was any reason why Arch doesn't have the rc-local.service in systemd by default. There was some stuff I ran in rc.local (reducing brightness, proxy authentication) but it seems there is no rc-local service in systemd. I am working on

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Aurko Roy wrote: > You're right, on digging deeper (logs) I found that the fsck had > failed earlier as well but I never noticed it as the boot process > wasn't interrupted. I didn't face it again after setting passno. to 0. > I had heard about btrfs being release

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Aurko Roy
Hi, Thanks for the quick reply. I wasn't aware of the changes in crypttab syntax with systemd; but changing it the way you described it did the trick for swap. You're right, on digging deeper (logs) I found that the fsck had failed earlier as well but I never noticed it as the boot process was

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Rodrigo Rivas
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Aurko Roy wrote: > 2. I have an encrypted btrfs partition which it unlocks normally, but > while trying to mount says: > "fsck: fsck.btrfs: not found > The problem seems to be that simply there is no such fsck.btrfs. It simply does not exist, yet. There is a btr

Re: [arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Aurko Roy wrote: > 1. I have an encrypted swap that randomly generates a new passphrase > everytime I reboot, but systemd asks me for a passphrase every time I > boot. On pressing enter or entering any random characters it proceeds > normally. This is more of an

Re: [arch-general] linux 3.5-1 - No volume groups found

2012-07-24 Thread BOYPT
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: > On 24.07.2012 10:51, BOYPT wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> after upgrading to linux 3.5-1 yesterday my computer no longer boots. :( >>> The following error is displayed: No vol

Re: [arch-general] linux 3.5-1 - No volume groups found

2012-07-24 Thread Herbert J. Skuhra
On 24.07.2012 10:51, BOYPT wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Herbert J. Skuhra wrote: Hi, after upgrading to linux 3.5-1 yesterday my computer no longer boots. :( The following error is displayed: No volume groups found I have to run "lvm vgchange -a y" before I can continue booting

Re: [arch-general] Delete the package magicassistant-gtk-multi 1.2.5.2-0

2012-07-24 Thread Ike Devolder
Op dinsdag 24 juli 2012 09:52:34 schreef Tanguy ALEXIS: > Hi, > > Since the package I was maintening (magicassistant-gtk-multi 1.2.5.2-0) is > now a doublon of (magicassistant-gtk 1.2.5.2-2), can you please merge the > comment and delete it. > > Thanks, Could you please send this requests to aur

[arch-general] Systemd with encrypted Btrfs

2012-07-24 Thread Aurko Roy
Hello all, After all the intense discussions about systemd I decided to try it out and see for myself. I tried it out on my desktop and was quite impressed by it - it was much faster than the earlier initscript. Further when I would background a daemon (say the network daemon) in rc.co

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

2012-07-24 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 23/07/12, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > >> Did you read this before posting. It's obvious that reviewing the config >> files and getting the source and finding the bug in C is much easier of >> course and can be fixed immediately by anyone w

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