Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Martin Cigorraga
On 6 August 2012 01:16, David Benfell wrote: > Indeed--those incompatibilities are precisely what I like about zsh. ;-) > > You mean the features associated to them, I guess! -- -msx

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/2012 09:13 PM, Martin Cigorraga wrote: > > I really don't care about zsh shipped as default shell as long as > zsh is full bash-compliance - but AFAIK zsh have some minor > incompatibilities with bash that may prevent it from being the > shel

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Martin Cigorraga
On 6 August 2012 00:21, David Benfell wrote: > > That'd get my vote, but I'd be amazed if any distribution ever did > this. Doesn't zsh take more--a lot more--memory? David, I don't think in modern systems this could be of any real issue, choosing, for instance, sh over zsh because memory consu

[arch-general] Update on Trinity - 2 versions available R14 and 3.5.13-sru

2012-08-05 Thread David C. Rankin
All, There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project for Arch. There will be essentially 2 versions available. The primary focus of the project is currently on TDE 14.0.0 (R14) which is TQt3 based and due to executable renaming, it can be installed along side kde4 without

Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-05 Thread Jude DaShiell
The whole point is, if you're reading the install guide you don't need any information in the beginners guide. At the very beginning of each of those guides the intended audiences are described. On Sun, 5 Aug 2012, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 08/05/2012 06:10 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Accor

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread David Benfell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/05/2012 07:57 PM, Sébastien Luttringer wrote: > Maybe one day zsh will become the default shell on arch :) > That'd get my vote, but I'd be amazed if any distribution ever did this. Doesn't zsh take more--a lot more--memory? - -- David Benfel

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Sébastien Luttringer
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:41 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Kyle wrote: >> I'm more curious as to why zsh is used in the live/install media but not on >> the base install. I personally like zsh, but it seems better IMHO to use the >> same interactive shell on both the liv

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Kyle wrote: > I'm more curious as to why zsh is used in the live/install media but not on > the base install. I personally like zsh, but it seems better IMHO to use the > same interactive shell on both the live media and the base installation as > performed by >

Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-05 Thread Daniel Wallace
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 08:37:39PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 08/05/2012 06:10 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > According to beginner's guide, > > grub-install /dev/sda is the next command and > > mk-grubconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg is the next command after > > that. > > That is the whole

Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-05 Thread David C. Rankin
On 08/05/2012 06:10 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: > According to beginner's guide, > grub-install /dev/sda is the next command and > mk-grubconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg is the next command after > that. That is the whole point... The Install_Guide does not refer you to the Beginners_Guide, currentl

Re: [arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-05 Thread Jude DaShiell
According to beginner's guide, grub-install /dev/sda is the next command and mk-grubconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg is the next command after that. On Sun, 5 Aug 2012, David C. Rankin wrote: > Guys, > > One place the Installation_Guide could be improved is regarding the > bootloader > instal

Re: [arch-general] Is there any project or interest for an new installer?

2012-08-05 Thread Jeremiah Dodds
"David C. Rankin" writes: > Guys, > > As I sit cobbling together script snippets to help automate the new media > install for my use, I am curious if there is any current effort/project to > develop a new AIF type installer? Or, is there any plan to take the current > old > AIF and update it g

[arch-general] Is there any project or interest for an new installer?

2012-08-05 Thread David C. Rankin
Guys, As I sit cobbling together script snippets to help automate the new media install for my use, I am curious if there is any current effort/project to develop a new AIF type installer? Or, is there any plan to take the current old AIF and update it going forward. If not, is there any suggest

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Kyle
I'm more curious as to why zsh is used in the live/install media but not on the base install. I personally like zsh, but it seems better IMHO to use the same interactive shell on both the live media and the base installation as performed by pacstrap /mnt base more because of a perceived need t

[arch-general] Installation_Guide - fix concerning bootloader config reference

2012-08-05 Thread David C. Rankin
Guys, One place the Installation_Guide could be improved is regarding the bootloader install and config. Currently the "Configure system" section has a circular-reference back to "Install a bootloader" section. It reads: - Install a bootloader GR

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Ricardo Catalinas Jiménez
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:06:58PM -0600, Matthew Monaco wrote: > On 08/05/2012 11:52 AM, Ricardo Catalinas Jiménez wrote: > > I trust Arch devs, they always have good reasons behind their decisions. > > So, I'm just curious for the election of Zsh[1] in the new install media. > > > > [1] http://w

Re: [arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Matthew Monaco
On 08/05/2012 11:52 AM, Ricardo Catalinas Jiménez wrote: > I trust Arch devs, they always have good reasons behind their decisions. > So, I'm just curious for the election of Zsh[1] in the new install media. > > [1] http://www.archlinux.org/news/install-media-20120804-available/ > > Regards > h

[arch-general] New install media 2012.08.04 uses ZSH, if I may ask, why?

2012-08-05 Thread Ricardo Catalinas Jiménez
I trust Arch devs, they always have good reasons behind their decisions. So, I'm just curious for the election of Zsh[1] in the new install media. [1] http://www.archlinux.org/news/install-media-20120804-available/ Regards -- Ricardo (http://r.untroubled.be/)

Re: [arch-general] Softlink /media

2012-08-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2012-08-05 at 11:12 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Your email client is Evolution 3.4.2 which probably means you use > gnome3 No it does mean that I used GNOME2 and I will continue sharing Evolution's maildir with other Linux installs on my computer, while keeping flags etc. too. I'm running

Re: [arch-general] New dual install iso -- Where the heck is arch-setup??

2012-08-05 Thread Jude DaShiell
There's a beginner's guide which is not terse too. I probably managed to get arch installed with it but it isn't verbal yet. The older tactic of adding speakup and speakup_soft to MODULES line in /etc/rc.conf and alsa and espeakup to DAEMONS line in /etc/rc.conf then running grub-install and

Re: [arch-general] Softlink /media

2012-08-05 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Is /media still needed by anything? Yes, I think udisks (v1) still mounts stuff there. > There's no big difference between typing > > # ls /run/media/spinymouse/INTENSO > > and > > # ls /media/spinymouse/INTENSO Then `rm /media` and create t

Re: [arch-general] Softlink /media

2012-08-05 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:56:22 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Am I the only one mounting e.g. an USB stick by the desktop and then > using a terminal emulation? No... I have never even started my thunar :) > > Is /media still needed by anything? If not I would prefer a softlink > media -> /run/medi

[arch-general] Softlink /media

2012-08-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Am I the only one mounting e.g. an USB stick by the desktop and then using a terminal emulation? Is /media still needed by anything? If not I would prefer a softlink media -> /run/media. Hm? There's no big difference between typing # ls /run/media/spinymouse/INTENSO and # ls /media/spinymouse

Re: [arch-general] New dual install iso -- Where the heck is arch-setup??

2012-08-05 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Sat, 04 Aug 2012 20:43:13 -0500 "David C. Rankin" wrote: > On 08/04/2012 10:49 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > >> David, you are fairly active on the mailing lists, and it's amusing that > >> > you totally missed the discussions related to the removal of AIF a few > >> > weeks ago. > > More to the poin

Re: [arch-general] Skype locks up my system, not even sysrq keys work

2012-08-05 Thread Mauro Santos
On 01-08-2012 18:48, SanskritFritz wrote: > Has anyone succeeded to use Pidgin video and audio over gtalk? Jitsi > works but I would like to use Pidgin. I'm trying to move away from > Skype. > Since no one chimed in so far I'll report what I have tested a while ago. Pidgin to gtalk didn't work,

Re: [arch-general] Install wiki - recommendations regarding 'swap' ?

2012-08-05 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: >> Thank you for all you comments. I'll drop a note in the wiki that captures >> a >> brief set of these considerations and the few steps needed to set up a swap >> if >> the user desires. > > With 4Gb and even > 32 Gb rams on some systems

Re: [arch-general] Install wiki - recommendations regarding 'swap' ?

2012-08-05 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Thank you for all you comments. I'll drop a note in the wiki that captures a > brief set of these considerations and the few steps needed to set up a swap if > the user desires. With 4Gb and even > 32 Gb rams on some systems you may want to note that you can use a small swap for caching and a

Re: [arch-general] IRC channel

2012-08-05 Thread Δημήτρης Ζέρβας
thank you!! -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Øyvind Heggstad wrote: > On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:03:54 +0300 > Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01tto...@gmail.com> wrote: > >

Re: [arch-general] IRC channel

2012-08-05 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:03:54 +0300 Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01tto...@gmail.com> wrote: > well, I use gmail, searching for add-on to fix this :) > so, what do you recommend for very light client with text & voice chat > support? > maybe teamspeak? pidgin/xmpp or mumble.

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-08-05 Thread Jackson Alley
On 08/05/2012 06:45 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Aug 5, 2012 6:04 AM, "C Anthony Risinger" wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jackson Alley > wrote: >>> I've rebooted and confirmed the udev rule I found does not resolve the >>> issue. I don't believe the problem lies with mkinitcpio as I'

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] btrfs-progs

2012-08-05 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Aug 5, 2012 6:04 AM, "C Anthony Risinger" wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Jackson Alley wrote: > > > > I've rebooted and confirmed the udev rule I found does not resolve the > > issue. I don't believe the problem lies with mkinitcpio as I'm not using > > a root btrfs system but rath

Re: [arch-general] New dual install iso -- Where the heck is arch-setup??

2012-08-05 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On 05/08/12 03:43, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 08/04/2012 10:49 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >>> David, you are fairly active on the mailing lists, and it's amusing that you totally missed the discussions related to the removal of AIF a few weeks ago. >> More to the point, as a maintainer of a fa

Re: [arch-general] Install wiki - recommendations regarding 'swap' ?

2012-08-05 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote: > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Scott Lawrence wrote: >> If you want to hibernate, you need at least as much as you have RAM. > > I'm not sure this is true. AFAIK, both swsusp and uswsusp try to > reduce the hibernation image as much as p

Re: [arch-general] Install wiki - recommendations regarding 'swap' ?

2012-08-05 Thread Mantas Mikulėnas
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Scott Lawrence wrote: > If you want to hibernate, you need at least as much as you have RAM. I'm not sure this is true. AFAIK, both swsusp and uswsusp try to reduce the hibernation image as much as possible – I think /sys/power/image_size defaults to 1 GB for swsus

Re: [arch-general] Install wiki - recommendations regarding 'swap' ?

2012-08-05 Thread David C. Rankin
On 08/05/2012 12:04 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: > Scott, C, gt, Rafel, > > Thank you for all you comments. I'll drop a note in the wiki that captures a > brief set of these considerations and the few steps needed to set up a swap if > the user desires. > Well, I do not have permission to write