Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Nowaker
Thanks Dennis for your input. To sum up, in your opinion the proposed approach is clean in terms of Arch guidelines. You also consider decoupling packages a good thing in general *provided* there is a sound reason for that. There isn't in your opinion. What is important is that I brushed asi

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Dennis Herbrich
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 06:10:39PM +0100, Nowaker wrote: > Guys, the goal of this "slanted ranting" (really?) is to propose a > good solution and make Arch better. Please refrain from implying that the current state needs being made better in the first place. This is exactly what we're trying to d

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014 18:10:39 +0100 Nowaker wrote: > Guys, the goal of this "slanted ranting" (really?) is to propose a good > solution and make Arch better. Please think out of the box and answer > one question: > > Would a separate netctl-wifi-menu package that depends on dialog, > wpa_suppl

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Nowaker
Guys, the goal of this "slanted ranting" (really?) is to propose a good solution and make Arch better. Please think out of the box and answer one question: Would a separate netctl-wifi-menu package that depends on dialog, wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd be better or not - and why? My answer is yes

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Doug Newgard
> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:22:50 +0100 > From: enwuk...@gmail.com > To: arch-general@archlinux.org > Subject: Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable > >> Have you looked at netctl's optional dependencies? > > Of course I have but the

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Alessandro Doro
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 03:24:38PM +0100, Simon Thelen wrote: > I don't consider this nonsense, wifi-menu is not an essential part of > netctl so dialog shouldn't be in the depends. wifi-menu also isn't > important enough to receive its own package. I see zero problem with > wifi-menu remaining a b

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Simon Thelen
On 27/02/14 at 13:22, Nowaker wrote: > Optdepends are used for software like lighttpd or apache where some optional > modules may need these optdepends. /usr/bin/wifi-menu is a first class > citizen of this package, not just some optional module. wifi-menu isn't so much a "first-class-citizen" as i

Re: [arch-general] Bridge interface with netctl

2014-02-27 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:09 PM, arnaud gaboury wrote: > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 1:37 PM, arnaud gaboury > wrote: >> -- >>> >>> Now: >>> * Populate the iptables FORWARD chain to route traffic from your physical >>> interface to the bridge and back. >> >> I missed totally this part of the setup.

Re: [arch-general] netctl provides wifi-menu which is unusable

2014-02-27 Thread Nowaker
> Have you looked at netctl's optional dependencies? Of course I have but the question is - what is the point of providing a binary that doesn't work at all without some optdepends? Optdepends are used for software like lighttpd or apache where some optional modules may need these optdepends.