Re: [arch-general] To those that are testing Gnome 3.14

2014-09-27 Thread Florian Pelz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/2014 07:43 PM, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: Hi list, I have a favor to ask to those that are currently testing Gnome 3.14. In gnome 3.12 I am having problems with user switching, which is quite important for me. In particular, I had this

Re: [arch-general] A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
On 09/26/2014 05:11 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: I should qualify that in that I don't think adding another package to base is a good idea *unless* there is a significant benefit to doing so. The plan to add dash to base when Arch was using initscripts made sense, it doesn't now that we're using

Re: [arch-general] A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Florian Pelz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2014 09:01 AM, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: On 09/26/2014 05:11 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: I should qualify that in that I don't think adding another package to base is a good idea *unless* there is a significant benefit to doing so. The

Re: [arch-general] A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
On 09/27/2014 01:04 AM, Florian Pelz wrote: Regardless of what's the default, could there be a cleaner way to use dash as one's /bin/sh without preventing pacman from upgrading bash? Manually replace /bin/sh as a symlink to /bin/dash and then set the /etc/pacman.conf values: NoUpgrade =

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 09:04 +0200, Florian Pelz wrote: On 09/27/2014 09:01 AM, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: On 09/26/2014 05:11 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: I should qualify that in that I don't think adding another package to base is a good idea *unless* there is a significant benefit to

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Florian Pelz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2014 09:23 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 09:04 +0200, Florian Pelz wrote: On 09/27/2014 09:01 AM, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: On 09/26/2014 05:11 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: I should qualify that in that I don't think adding

Re: [arch-general] A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 01:21 -0600, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: I assumed NoExtract should have been enough Correct! Or are we missing something?

Re: [arch-general] A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
On 09/27/2014 01:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 01:21 -0600, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: I assumed NoExtract should have been enough Correct! Or are we missing something? Oddly, using only NoExtract caused pacman to remove the usr/bin/sh symlink, replacing it with nothing.

Re: [arch-general] A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
On 09/26/2014 02:57 PM, Doug Newgard wrote: You're wanting it to hide functionality in certain circumstances, which isn't wrong, but it isn't required. One way is not more correct than the other. I think not doing stupid things with env vars qualifies as more correct. Smaller code bases can

Re: [arch-general] A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Florian Pelz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2014 09:30 AM, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: On 09/27/2014 01:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 01:21 -0600, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: I assumed NoExtract should have been enough Correct! Or are we missing something?

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 10:02 +0200, Florian Pelz wrote: On 09/27/2014 09:30 AM, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: On 09/27/2014 01:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 01:21 -0600, Benjamin A. Shelton wrote: I assumed NoExtract should have been enough Correct! Or are we missing

Re: [arch-general] To those that are testing Gnome 3.14

2014-09-27 Thread Lorenzo Bandieri
On 27 Sep 2014 08:56, Florian Pelz pelzflor...@googlemail.com wrote: Yes, it seems to still be broken in 3.14. I have had no issues without switching, but now that I tried it: - - The first time I switched users to myself, GNOME froze in the activities when I tried to open a terminal (because

Re: [arch-general] [Bulk] Re: A good time to switch to dash as /bin/sh?

2014-09-27 Thread Benjamin A. Shelton
On 09/27/2014 02:13 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-09-27 at 10:02 +0200, Florian Pelz wrote: Same here. With only NoExtract, I linked /bin/sh to dash, reinstalled bash, and /bin/sh was gone. With both NoExtract and NoUpgrade, I did the same and /bin/sh was still a link to dash. My bad,