Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Sam Stuewe
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 08:10:57PM +0200, Maarten de Vries wrote: I would say an editor is part of the bare minimum for any system. You can't do much on a system without an editor (of course you can still edit files using some basic tools that don't qualify as editors, but that's besides the

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Sam Stuewe
This may just be my personal opinion, but I have always thought that `base` was supposed to be the absolute bare minimum to have a bootable installation. From that view, it makes sense that a few very small editors made sense in `base` back when Arch wasn't net-install only. Now, however, since

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Doug Newgard
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:51:10 +0200 Neven Sajko nsa...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that wpa_supplicant probably should not be in base, but it's worth mentioning that base already has many packages not useful to a lot of people - I for example don't have any of these installed: dhcpcd jfsutils

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Neven Sajko
On 25 April 2015 at 19:36, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:51:10 +0200, Neven Sajko wrote: nano IMO nano should be part of base. Other editors might have advantages over nano, but to set up config files, it's on of the most easiest to use editors. It's

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:51:10 +0200, Neven Sajko wrote: nano IMO nano should be part of base. Other editors might have advantages over nano, but to set up config files, it's on of the most easiest to use editors. It's my default editor, because you don't get a tendonitis and you don't need to

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 23:55:32 +0200, Neven Sajko wrote: On 25 April 2015 at 19:36, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:51:10 +0200, Neven Sajko wrote: nano IMO nano should be part of base. Other editors might have advantages over nano, but to set up config

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 12:59:30 -0500, Sam Stuewe wrote: Honestly, I think an idea world would put pacman, linux, systemd, bash, a few bootloaders, efi-related utilities and their dependencies in `base` and essentially nothing else. I guess _core_ should be similar to FreeBSD's world, including the

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Maarten de Vries
On 25 April 2015 at 19:59, Sam Stuewe halosgh...@archlinux.info wrote: This may just be my personal opinion, but I have always thought that `base` was supposed to be the absolute bare minimum to have a bootable installation. From that view, it makes sense that a few very small editors made

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Maarten de Vries
On 25 April 2015 at 20:18, Sam Stuewe halosgh...@archlinux.info wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 08:10:57PM +0200, Maarten de Vries wrote: I would say an editor is part of the bare minimum for any system. You can't do much on a system without an editor (of course you can still edit files

Re: [arch-general] pacman's Depends On

2015-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 25 Apr 2015 10:01:57 +0200, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: [snip] The libvpx.so symbolic link [snip] is not needed in runtime. Thank you :).

Re: [arch-general] PATH variable not set in DE (GNOME)

2015-04-25 Thread Rodrigo Rivas
On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:03 AM, Maximilian Kaul archli...@maxkaul.de wrote: So I checked in a terminal: $ which exiftool /usr/bin/vendor_perl/exiftool $ echo $PATH .../usr/bin/vendor_perl... BUT if I put the following code in a file #!/bin/sh env /tmp/env and execute it via GNOME

Re: [arch-general] PATH variable not set in DE (GNOME)

2015-04-25 Thread Carl Lei
/etc/environment is an option. This is used by pam_env, and applies to all PAM-authenticated sessions. However /etc/profile.d is used by most DEs. Did you export PATH? On 2015年04月25日 09:03, Maximilian Kaul wrote: Hello list, I'm currently experiencing something weird on a (less than

Re: [arch-general] pacman's Depends On

2015-04-25 Thread Rodrigo Rivas
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Apr 2015 06:41:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:56:56 +0300, Jesse Jaara wrote: What you need to do is to create a custom package for the specific version of libvpx that doesn't

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Simon Hanna
I strongly disagree. wpa_supplicant is pretty huge and unnecessary for many people I for one have a couple of installations without wireless connections at all..

[arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread H8H
Hi I recently installed archlinux over the air (wifi) and after a reboot I realizied sh**t you forgot to install wpa_supplicant to get connect to the world (over wifi / wpa/wpa2) and install more packages. So I had to restart, boot to the live system, mount the whole crypt stuff, (arch-chroot)

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Bennett Piater
In my opinion wpa_supplicant is an important tool, so is it possible to add it to the group 'base'? I strongly disagree. wpa_supplicant is pretty huge and unnecessary for many people, and it also introduces a large additional surface area for exploits. Bennett -- GPG fingerprint: 871F 1047

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Neven Sajko
I agree that wpa_supplicant probably should not be in base, but it's worth mentioning that base already has many packages not useful to a lot of people - I for example don't have any of these installed: dhcpcd jfsutils reiserfstools xfsprogs cryptsetup lvm2 mdadm nano netctl

Re: [arch-general] Add wpa_supplicant to the Group 'Base'

2015-04-25 Thread Marko Hauptvogel
On 25.04.2015 17:51, Neven Sajko wrote: I agree that wpa_supplicant probably should not be in base, but it's worth mentioning that base already has many packages not useful to a lot of people - I for example don't have any of these installed: dhcpcd jfsutils reiserfstools xfsprogs cryptsetup