Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-03 Thread Maxwell Anselm via arch-general
> > You mean the source files that you downloaded and then hashed... > Yes. If the source files are being modified via a MITM attack (which is trivial if the host uses HTTP) the checksum is still useful.

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-03 Thread Carsten Mattner via arch-general
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 6:27 AM, fnodeuser wrote: > https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2016-November/028492.html I would suggest considering TUF - The Update Framework or stealing their signing scheme which withstands all kinds of attack scenarios.

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-03 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Before you discuss it further, Ralf and piequiex, I did announce using bofh excuses earlier in this thread. I actually pulled the part with Germany randoly from collection of bofh excuses. None of any of that was real. We're having extreme gravity fluctuations, please move your pc to the floor rap

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-03 Thread piequiex
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 00:30:43 + (GMT), piequiex wrote: > >> give some context and some information about what you upgraded, what > >> you were doing when it happened and what software was running. > >> Looking > >Read original message. > >On boot. > > I need to correct Martin, only your mai

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-03 Thread piequiex
> On Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:25:57 + (GMT) > piequiex wrote: > > > Have a nice day! > > > > > > > > > You too! > > Useless message. > > P.S. Adjust MUA setings. > > Just as useless as you original message. Then do not waste time on my useless message. -- Have a nice day!

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-03 Thread sivmu
Am 03.12.2016 um 20:07 schrieb Maxwell Anselm via arch-general: >> >> I agree that we should use a strong hash by default where it makes >> sense. But in the absense ob effective validation of upstream packages, >> this is meaningless. >> > > It would at least indicate that the source file has b

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-03 Thread piequiex
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 00:30:43 + (GMT) > piequiex wrote: > > > > Whatever you expected to happen. I'm going to go through a few things > > The logical conclusion. > > Logical conclusion: It crashed. What more do you want us to say? We're not > kernel devs. Perfect conclusion! Advice? --

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-03 Thread Maxwell Anselm via arch-general
> > I agree that we should use a strong hash by default where it makes > sense. But in the absense ob effective validation of upstream packages, > this is meaningless. > It would at least indicate that the source file has been tampered with in some way. Even though there would be no way to know th

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-03 Thread sivmu
Am 03.12.2016 um 06:27 schrieb fnodeuser: > > if an upstream does not sign the files, does not have https enabled, and/or > refuses to take security and privacy seriously, sha512 must be used in the > PKGBUILD files. But using and hash value without the possibility to verify the hashed files

Re: [arch-general] Stronger Hashes for PKGBUILDs

2016-12-03 Thread Chris Tonkinson
> if an upstream does not sign the files, does not have https enabled, and/or > refuses to take security and privacy seriously, sha512 must be used in the > PKGBUILD files. Then 1) you could argue our using SHA512 is meaningless, but 2) it doesn't matter; we should still be doing the Right™

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-03 Thread Jelle van der Waa
On 12/02/16 at 05:47am, piequiex wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > [ 65.955101] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 81e0 Welp, sounds like you a kernel bug, either the kernel just locked up or hit a BUG_ON(). > [ 65.956510] IP: [] __memmove+0x24/0x1a0 > [ 6

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 3 Dec 2016 00:30:43 + (GMT), piequiex wrote: >> give some context and some information about what you upgraded, what >> you were doing when it happened and what software was running. >> Looking >Read original message. >On boot. I need to correct Martin, only your mails are censored: