Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Amish via arch-general
Top posting - because answer is general to all the emails to list: 1) My focus was on Eli Schwartz e-mail, where he mentioned about his proposed changes to Grub Wiki. https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2018-December/045830.html 2) I even said that grub-mkconfig should NOT be

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 07:56:29 +0530, Amish via arch-general wrote: >But from user manual point of view you can not recommend hand written >grub first. I don't have a grub.cfg at hand, but you could add boot options for just one kernel of one install in a similar way to grub.cfg as you could do for

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 07:56:29 +0530, Amish via arch-general wrote: >Thats because you have assumed that people will install only Linux. >And that too plain Linux. Chainloading e.g. FreeBSD, Windows or whatsoever is even simpler. >And that too no grub modules. No fancy stuff. > >That too no

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/8/18 8:14 PM, Amish via arch-general wrote: > In my opinion DIY (Do it yourself) does not mean hand write everything > from scratch. > > KISS (Keep it simple) implies that if you can use a tool (grub-mkconfig > in this case) then use it. Because handwriting the whole grub file is > time

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 06:44:52 +0530, Amish via arch-general wrote: >KISS (Keep it simple) implies that if you can use a tool >(grub-mkconfig in this case) then use it. No, it does not. The Arch Linux kernel names don't change. They are always something like e.g. vmlinuz-linux, never something like

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Robin Broda via arch-general
On 12/9/18 2:14 AM, Amish via arch-general wrote: > Simple is to use a tool in this case. Hand writing a full conf file is no way > simple. Are you sure about that? Here's your handwritten 'full conf file'... menuentry "Linux" { linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux root=... rw initrd

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Amish via arch-general
On 09/12/18 6:13 am, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: Well, yes. In fact, I consider the mere existence of the grub-mkconfig command to be a harsh sin. :p ... It boggles my mind that a distribution that prides itself on: - DIY, - KISS, - understanding how things work, and - the

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Amish via arch-general
On 09/12/18 5:31 am, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: Could we have handled this better? Yes -- if I were the person who performed that update, I would have added a message echoed in the post_upgrade: "Performing one-time restore of user-generated grub.cfg due to removing it from the

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/8/18 7:45 AM, mar77i via arch-general wrote: > For the kernel we run mkinitcpio. So there shouldn't be a real reason > why we shouldn't run grub-mkconfig >/${main_grub_dir}/grub.cfg for > grub. That being said, the path is /boot/grub.cfg for me, so I'm not > sure how we'd get the installfile

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 12/8/18 3:55 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi, > > Having spotted > > warning: /boot/grub/grub.cfg saved as /boot/grub/grub.cfg.pacsave > > during today's large package upgrade, I went to /boot/grub afterwards > expecting work to do. grub.cfg.pacsave didn't exist. `pacman -Ql grub' >

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Einhard Leichtfuß
On 2018-12-08 13:45, mar77i via arch-general wrote: > For the kernel we run mkinitcpio. So there shouldn't be a real reason why we > shouldn't run grub-mkconfig >/${main_grub_dir}/grub.cfg for grub. That being > said, the path is /boot/grub.cfg for me, so I'm not sure how we'd get the >

Re: [arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread mar77i via arch-general
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, December 8, 2018 9:55 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > Can a better solution to this be engineered? > For the kernel we run mkinitcpio. So there shouldn't be a real reason why we shouldn't run grub-mkconfig >/${main_grub_dir}/grub.cfg for grub. That

[arch-general] Package grub Encourages Warnings to be Ignored.

2018-12-08 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, Having spotted warning: /boot/grub/grub.cfg saved as /boot/grub/grub.cfg.pacsave during today's large package upgrade, I went to /boot/grub afterwards expecting work to do. grub.cfg.pacsave didn't exist. `pacman -Ql grub' showed grub doesn't own anything in /boot. Google led me to