Re: [arch-general] AUR account creation issues

2017-11-26 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Just to have mentioned it: it was probably aur-general, and your forum post confirms it. :) cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Depends on foo-bar=10.0-3

2017-08-15 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Someone call 911, another trainwreck thread on [arch-general]. Watching the carnage ensue is not as much fun as it should be though, so long after responders no longer pretend to care. That being said, we should definitely add a versioned dependency between fuse-common and sshfs. Just because my m

Re: [arch-general] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: [DNG] Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept

2017-08-01 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Keep it where it happens. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Procedure for getting informed about ban duration and reason

2017-07-27 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 12:28 AM, mpan wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > I’m asking for an advice on how to proceed. I am *not* discussing > the reasons or trying to rant. > > The situation is: >— On July 25th at 3:10 UTC I have been banned on #archlinux-offtop

Re: [arch-general] (Off-topic) Command-line torrent download tool

2017-07-24 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Storm Dragon via arch-general wrote: > Howdy, Howdy > I'm glad there's now something other than rtorrent. Rtorrent works usually, > but there are some torrents that just refuse to work with it, hopefully this > new, in development CLI tool will fil in the gap. >

Re: [arch-general] (Off-topic) Command-line torrent download tool

2017-07-24 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
except KeyboardInterrupt: print("\nAborted!\n") sys.exit() Don't check if your eyes may bleed from imposter code. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

2017-07-24 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Apologies for appearing unaware of both the presence and/or hideousness of netctl. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

2017-07-24 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Ryan Petris via arch-general wrote: > I thought I'd point out that, if the default image doesn't meet your needs, > you can always build your own > with the packages you want. > Are you asking those same users who a

Re: [arch-general] Why there is no NetworkManager in ArchISO

2017-07-23 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf via arch-general wrote: > Hello, > > Why is there no NetworkManager in ArchISO? Isn't it widely accepted as > the go to method of connecting to internet in Linux? Is there any reason > for it not to be default? > Network manager actually limits use

Re: [arch-general] Sébastien Luttringer and Tobias Powalowski

2017-07-02 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
I stand corrected which leaves only part of my last sentence. Thanks for the detailed heads-up, everyone, especially Eli. On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Martin Kühne wrote: > we'll have to decide how we can deal with content like this in a way > that tells the source to go f themselves [content

Re: [arch-general] Sébastien Luttringer and Tobias Powalowski

2017-07-02 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 10:39 PM, NicoHood wrote: > So why are we so resistant against those suggestions? Those are good and > valid, no matter who this guy is and how he interacts with people. From > the technical point of view he is right. And we all should care for our > users, because we are re

Re: [arch-general] Dave Reisner and Gaetan Bisson

2017-07-02 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Some people just don't have the decency to appear human for us other humans. I find it really creepy that it's possible to have protonmail and google produce emails that don't provide any sender information whatsoever. Be nice and at least try to appear like you're human, even if you're a script.

Re: [arch-general] Perl Help?

2017-06-09 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Hunter Jozwiak via arch-general wrote: > Hi gang, > > I got bit by Perl this morning after I did an update. I got an error > about having a handshake error with ListUtil.c, and I don't know how to > resolve this error. I can't open cpan, launch Chromium, and I'm not

Re: [arch-general] Tobias Powalowski and his nonsensical maintenance decisions

2017-04-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Today is the 28th, and the date reported by pacman is the 27th. Suggestion to OP: # ntpdate your.favorite.mirror.ntp.org Because to me it just looks like he might be a few multiples of 86400 seconds off. On a similar note, I wonder why you didn't complain that the new ELF binary was apparently b

Re: [arch-general] arch health

2017-04-21 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Carsten Mattner via arch-general wrote: > In the past there have been just crashes or buggy behavior that > only got fixed with the version-next++ and until then arch had > to live with the broken and regressed version as the default > since there wasn't a revoke/d

Re: [arch-general] Mirror down?

2017-04-21 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Did you know, DNS has this great feature called `whois` [0]. cheers! mar77i [0] https://www.whois.com/whois/nyu.edu

Re: [arch-general] arch health

2017-04-20 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Not only could most of the concerns be successfully identified as Other People's Problems™, pepole are still very focused on email ettiquette. I think interpreting these two basic indicators about the health of Arch can left as an exercise for the reader. I'm not exactly sure what OP expected in t

Re: [arch-general] Link against system libs

2017-04-07 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
You don't appear to follow arch-dev-public [0] very closely, do you. cheers! mar77i [0] https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2017-March/028752.html

Re: [arch-general] Link against system libs

2017-04-07 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Just that asp is from AUR which isn't an official repository. ABS is in > the official Extra repository, > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System . Except the reason for that is that arch doesn't need to distribute that softwa

Re: [arch-general] Link against system libs

2017-04-06 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Also, I forgot to add some literature on the subject, too. [0], [1], [2] cheers! mar77i [0] https://linux.die.net/man/8/ld-linux [1] http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/6463/print [2] http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html

Re: [arch-general] Link against system libs

2017-04-06 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Wolfgang Mader wrote: > Arch ships with a lot of libraries of which .a and .so are stored in /usr/lib > and beyond. These libraries are compiled by some compiler, the compiler by > which the entire arch linux distribution packages are compiled with. By the > way, wh

Re: [arch-general] initi issue

2017-04-05 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
You should make sure you have: - systemd-sysvcompat installed properly Another way which I'm using (since I consider that package silly) is this: - add init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub and run grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg -- or the according action us

Re: [arch-general] Cannot reach repositories

2017-03-14 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > A gift for [REDACTED] can we get rid of people like that? thanks. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Which browser to use? [was: Firefox user data autofill doesn't work as before]

2017-03-09 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
I actually tried Vivaldi for a while. It's pretty cool for the features it delivers out of the box, and it uses DDG by default. However I found that Firefox' memory management turns out preferable, since I had a few points where vivaldi would choke on too many tabs. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] AUR ToS (aka making AUR user names public)

2017-03-07 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:36 AM, fnodeuser wrote: > test This worked. Thanks for your effort. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] AUR ToS (aka making AUR user names public)

2017-03-06 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Has got somebody the slightest idea about the aim of this research? > good question. > "anonymized statistics" and "establish connections" are abstract > phrases. Not abstract is that those claims are contradictory, without > the need of much

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] AUR ToS (aka making AUR user names public)

2017-03-06 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Much likely nothing bad > would happen by handing out a list, but to avoid a "Now, why didn't I > think of that?"-issue the easiest solution seems to reject such > requests in general, at least as long as it's not obviously that the > research

[arch-general] sending emails with gmail WAS: [arch-dev-public] AUR ToS

2017-03-06 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Henrik Danielsson via arch-general wrote: > [...] the quote in Mauro's > mail did not render as a quote normally does in Gmail, hence I was not > sure it would render correctly if I messed up the copying it (HTML > entities and all). Just turn it off. GMail's web

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] AUR ToS (aka making AUR user names public)

2017-03-06 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Henrik Danielsson via arch-general wrote: > I was not replying to anyone in particular. Gaetan? Sorry, you lost me > there. It may not have appeared in the same thread for you, but here we go [0] context, and the mail I was replying to was [1], for which the forme

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] AUR ToS (aka making AUR user names public)

2017-03-06 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:26 AM, Guus Snijders via arch-general wrote: > Op 6 mrt. 2017 10:52 schreef "Henrik Danielsson via arch-general" < > arch-general@archlinux.org>: > > > I guess I'll be the devil's advocate. I see no privacy issues in handing > > over a list of already public information Y

Re: [arch-general] Strange update of libvirt

2017-03-04 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
This keeps happening for me every time, and I just ignore the .pacnew file. It should actually not be considered on updates because the settings stored therein can be modified through the virt-manager UI anyway. I used to think that adding the path to backups=() in the PKGBUILD would solve the prob

Re: [arch-general] Why isn't SELinux officially supported?

2017-03-01 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 5:45 PM, Robert Wong via arch-general wrote: > Thanks. > But I'm not meaning disappealing, I just felt uncomfortable when I see the > packages from the AUR can't be updated by the pacman and I don' feel like > using yaourt... Probably it's my obsessive compulsive disorder

Re: [arch-general] Why isn't SELinux officially supported?

2017-03-01 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Robert Wong via arch-general wrote: > Coming up: > ...and detailed set up process on the Wiki, why can't those packages > magically be maintained at the official repos? Since the upgrade experience > of AUR packages are trully awkward... And I don't consider it sa

Re: [arch-general] Cannot start Jack

2017-02-20 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
run dbus-monitor in a different terminal window while running `jack_control start` to get the full, graphic details of the dbus exception. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Generating gdb debug logs for devs

2017-02-01 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
So uh for all this to take effect you have to do the updates on the PKGBUILD options=(!strip debug) most notably I guess... not sure what makepkg.conf adjustments you made, but I'm pretty sure the main lifting is up to these two options being set. Is it possible that you would share the makepkg.co

Re: [arch-general] user namespaces

2017-02-01 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
As somebody with no actual knowledge of the details you guys are arguing over, but it seems to me OP has yet to learn that a simpler and more secure environment can only be achieved by using fewer and powerful components instead of many useless ones. Okay, there might be a point from which the amou

Re: [arch-general] I just want to say THANK YOU!

2017-01-20 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
how do you circlejerk about arch? -- Ivo, 2013 arch doesn't die. it surfaces long-escaped bugs -- mar77i, 2012 If ArchLinux made beer, it would be blue… -- mpan, 2017 Arch Sucks™ -- phrik, 2017 cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Google Summer of Code 2017

2016-12-19 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
I read about past failed attempts of arch trying to make something out of gsoc, and that LDAP layer supposed to connect the different websites' logins stil is not a thing. Go ahead, I'd say. On that same note, do we have more pressing issues? cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Why was wpa_supplicant.conf renamed wpa_supplicant.conf.pacsav??

2016-12-19 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Please, never ever seriously consider making pacman surprising in any way resembling to what has been unsuccessfully proposed. Does the pacman wiki suggest running the following line after updates yet? find /etc /opt /usr /var -regextype egrep -regex '\*.pac(new|save)' A section describing the re

Re: [arch-general] Apple Super Drive and Arch Linux?

2016-12-07 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Uh, you could check debian's syslog on plug-in and module list to compare with arch. Maybe they have soe kernel configuration / module enabled - or some other tool - to make this work? cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-03 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Before you discuss it further, Ralf and piequiex, I did announce using bofh excuses earlier in this thread. I actually pulled the part with Germany randoly from collection of bofh excuses. None of any of that was real. We're having extreme gravity fluctuations, please move your pc to the floor rap

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-02 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Your mail is being routed through Germany ... and they're censoring us. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-02 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Wait a minute, wait a minute. I just realized some crucial aspect of your fnord. You stripped the context yourself, ad on purpose. That's some seriously τη καλλίστη stuff you got there. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] abs & sourceforge.net

2016-12-02 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
asynchronous inode failure. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] After upgrade

2016-12-02 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 6:25 PM, piequiex wrote: >> [ 66.078059] RIP [] __memmove+0x24/0x1a0 >> [ 66.080161] RSP >> [ 66.082193] CR2: 81e0 >> [ 66.084178] ---[ end trace 7fe3870b4855ddc6 ]--- >> - -- >> Have a nice day! >> >> >> You too! > Useless message. > P.S. Adjust MUA s

Re: [arch-general] unreadable characters login screen after install

2016-11-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 8:55 PM, niya levi via arch-general wrote: > is there another entry i should have comment , uncommented or added in > /etc/default/grub to make it permenant ? > shadrock If you change things in /etc/default/grub, you have to # grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.chf to make t

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Hmm, you could do the move per-server, though, at least for the network services that publicly can report a different UID/GID pair than is advertised on the file system, which is at least true for NFS. Did you look into that, already? cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Arch pkg user and group IDs?

2016-11-27 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
First of all, any UID less than 1000 is generally considered a system user/group, I would suspect this tradition or a variation thereof comes from elder days. Yes, arch system users are numbered automatically, but the groups and users you listed are a bit of special snowflakes for systemd. I'm not

[arch-general] On containers. WAS: Re: snapcraft.io ...

2016-11-24 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
This whole sandboxing and containerisation idiocy is such a pain. Oh look, the apps are not secure, the apps sometimes crash. But you know what, let's take a high level approach, because we're such great managers. Let's NOT make better apps and a better stack by actually writing better multimedia l

Re: [arch-general] Can't change tty size

2016-10-18 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Let's start out with the setting with a font you intend like to use that is as closely above 80 columns as you can make it. $ stty cols 80 will inform the kernel what size of terminal your receiving end has. This way you truncate the view on the screen and get your precise 80x* terminal. You could

Re: [arch-general] Building Telegram and libssl

2016-09-30 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
If there's an aur packet, there is no point in building anything yourself. Read [0]. cheers! mar77i [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System

Re: [arch-general] Building Telegram and libssl

2016-09-30 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Sajjad Heydari via arch-general wrote: > Hello Guys > > I have been trying to build telegram based on this: > https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/blob/master/doc/building-cmake.md > > I am in the final part and I keep getting this error: > [ 0%] Built tar

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016-09-29 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Lukas Rose wrote: > > I've been installing various Linux distributions on all kinds of notebooks > and desktop-PCs for several years now, and I almost never had problems with > hardware compatibility. Just follow the basic rules like avoid dedicated > graphics

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016-09-29 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Merlin Büge wrote: > But note that all that is not open source hardware (as mentioned above). > Also I'm not getting the point in buying such hardware -- there is some linux > distribution preinstalled, but that's it I guess. Or am I missing something? > The hard

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016-09-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
I passively +1 to creating a wiki page for the time being. While it's worth mentioning the good parts as we listed them in this thread, it's also important to list bad parts and link the intel/lenovo debacle, somehow. Also, I might go and put whatever broadcom wifi interfaces on that list that fail

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016-09-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
The FSF has a directory of hardware that respects geek's freedom [0]. I've recently been on a UK based liberated hardware seller, but hell I can't dig up the link right now. cheers! mar77i [0] http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom

[arch-general] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] i686 and SSE2

2016-09-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Daniel Micay via arch-dev-public wrote: > On Wed, 2016-09-28 at 21:12 +0200, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote: > ... Can [you] give people > enough time to work out a way of doing automated builds, even official > ones if there are developers / trusted users interested

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016-09-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > I worry about if and how this will affect Arch. Any opinions? > > It's a thing people have to be wary about. Average arch users may have similar laziness with regards to what their hardware requirements are as users of ot

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016-09-28 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
If anything, it's intel being asswipe lazy to not upstream linux drivers for this new raid mode. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Removing infinality

2016-09-27 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Just a thought. If you find the excerpt in the pacman logs where you did the transaction got you into this mess, you might be able to reverse just that without risking too much for the current install and save you a complete reinstall. Ignoring dependencies is then not so bad, because you then just

Re: [arch-general] Removing infinality

2016-09-25 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Just -Rcs and look twice at the removal. It does catch the whole tree of explicit, asdeps of the packages passed as argument, as well as packages depeding on either, but look twice on the list of packages you'd like to have removed. Anyway, there might be stuff in there you'd like to have but coul

Re: [arch-general] What happened to the Beginner's Guide?

2016-09-21 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Everybody is able to participate at the Arch wiki... Ralf touches a very intriguing argument here, which might just boil this thread down to "telling others how to structure their wiki". As someone who hasn't looked at the guides in question

[arch-general] Fwd: [arch-dev-public] i686 and SSE2

2016-09-19 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Christian Hesse wrote: > We could just keep i686 as-is for maximum compatibility. Let's take a > realistic look at the things: Most users run i686, so why bother and optimize > i686 - just to save some CPU cycles for a minority? > (I would even wast CPU cycle rebu

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] i686 and SSE2

2016-09-18 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
It would probably also give more arguments/hardware in need of a retro-cpu archlinux variant/project which I'd like to see and would help out with. Which in turn might be a better alternative for my Geode as well. Just my 2¢ to this. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] i686 and SSE2

2016-09-18 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
...I'm all for making arch work well for the hardware it runs well on, and I don't think expecting SSE2 is too bleeding edge wrt hardware constraints. There are other distros that work well on cpus that aren't up to par with arch's needs. I started using gentoo on my pcengines board due to already

Re: [arch-general] i3wm (randomly?) freezes; SIGCONT seems to fix it

2016-09-11 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Oh, this stuff might all be related to the issue: [0], [1], [2] cheers! mar77i [0] https://faq.i3wm.org/question/4631/dont-sigstop-when-in-hide-mode/here.html [1] https://github.com/ultrabug/py3status/issues/253 [2] https://github.com/i3/i3/issues/2280

Re: [arch-general] i3wm (randomly?) freezes; SIGCONT seems to fix it

2016-09-11 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Just as an aside from a technical perspective: Keep SIG_IGN vs SIG_DFL in mind. I guess signals are passed from the child process to the parent? Then again, I don't know where setsid() comes into play, whether i3 does it / does it correctly, and whether that has an effect on the signal processing q

Re: [arch-general] Laptop cooling fan does not work

2016-08-25 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
I just set up some other distro on an IBM laptop, and I noticed that when I set up the x86 variant, I had very considerable heat problems, while when I swiched to x86_64, which was just after I acknowledged that I had the lm flag in /proc/cpuinfo, the temperature issue went away completely. Whether

Re: [arch-general] Pacman Hooks

2016-08-21 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
A quick browsing of the manpages would help. Try the alpm-hooks(5) manpage. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on PowerShell?

2016-08-19 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
If I ever meet you, Mauro, I owe you beer. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Question regarding storm dragon's install script. When trying to tell my vm to run the script, I keep getting the message, bash, no such file or directory. Anyone here that is using

2016-08-11 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
You may or may not have noticed, but your message neded up all the way up in the subject header of your email. Consider checking that next time, maybe? :-) cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] mdmonitor.service /usr/lib/systemd/scripts/mdadm_env.sh: No such file or directory

2016-06-08 Thread Martin Kühne via arch-general
Smells like EPROBLEM. If there's no problem beyond logspam, you'll have a hard time to get the improvement accepted. Question though, now that you made me curious, do you patch out gtk debug messages for your GUI apps? cheers! mar77i