Re: [arch-general] bluez and udev

2011-03-21 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
Any particular reason you cross-posted this between aur-general and arch-general? On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 03:59 +0100, Seblu wrote: > Hello, > > It was a few things I could not explain with bluez and udev. > > When my system start killswitch off and i toggle killswitch after, > bluetoothd is auto

Re: [arch-general] Should package bug be sent here?

2011-03-16 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 22:41 +0800, 郑文辉 wrote: > I have reported a bug report FS#23295[1] ,should I send an email in > arch-general mailling list too? > > [1]:https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/23295 Not necessary, flyspray is the way to go.

Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice

2011-03-10 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 01:33 +0100, Linas wrote: > Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > Dedicated to the relatively-closed and more-constrained version of whats > > in the repos. Sure =) > > > > The distros have jumped fast, but I'm wondering about the Windows users > > o

Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice

2011-03-08 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 10:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > 2011/3/7 Ng Oon-Ee : > > On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > >> just an fyi, > >> openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to > >> the aur, it will most

Re: [arch-general] Dropping Oracle OpenOffice

2011-03-08 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 22:00 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > just an fyi, > openoffice itself is *huge* and now that it is going to be dropped to > the aur, it will most likely lose all audience because of how long it > takes to compile from source. + libreoffice is just a better version > of openof

Re: [arch-general] I'd like to take over the maintaince of perl-convert-tnef

2011-03-04 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 14:20 +0800, 郑文辉 wrote: > Sorry,my fault,i was too careless to read the aur-general as the > arch-general in AUR-FAQ wiki page. And you should really reply by bottom-posting =)

Re: [arch-general] I'd like to take over the maintaince of perl-convert-tnef

2011-03-04 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 05:17 +0200, Evangelos Foutras wrote: > On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 4:51 AM, 郑文辉 wrote: > > I'd like to take over the maintaince of perl-convert-tnef,as the current > > maintainer seems no longer focusing on it,so i hope this aur package can be > > orphaned . > > Done, thanks! R

Re: [arch-general] Contributing to netcfg

2011-03-02 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 23:05 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > On 02/03/11 22:52, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm not a coder, but I've written up .service files (for systemd) for > > netcfg, specifically for net-auto-wired and net-auto-wireless. I have >

[arch-general] Contributing to netcfg

2011-03-02 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
Hi all, I'm not a coder, but I've written up .service files (for systemd) for netcfg, specifically for net-auto-wired and net-auto-wireless. I have not done the same for net-profiles and net-rename. I was thinking to submit those two files upstream to netcfg development, but I can't seem to find

Re: [arch-general] Doubt about signed packages.

2011-03-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 12:50 +0530, Keerthan jai.c wrote: > Why can't we do this? > > 1) Keep hashes of {core,extra,community,multilib}.db in plaintext in > keys.archlinux.org or something > 2) while syncing pacman compares the hashes of the downloaded dbs from the > main server ensuring that the p

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] GSoC 2011

2011-02-25 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 16:28 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > On 26/02/11 16:15, Andres Perera wrote: > > lol... > > > > gsoc students aren't going to get sponsored for making packages > > > > you'd have to be in a distro that does their own projects like fedora > > > > it'd be like slackware asking for

Re: [arch-general] Howto - tell pacman -S (-U) to overwrite existing file in filesystem?

2011-02-21 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 21:45 +0100, Sebastian Rust wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 21.02.2011 00:28, David C. Rankin wrote: > >>> The question is "Can I do something in the PKGBUILD to tell pacman > >>> - if the file is already there -> overwrite it?" > Ah ok, now I

Re: [arch-general] How best to downgrade gcc to 4.4 or 4.3?

2011-02-14 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 19:19 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 02/14/2011 09:33 AM, David C. Rankin wrote: > > So there is definitely a problem with gcc 4.5.2 > > (g++). > > Correction, > > There was a definite problem with the Trinity code after > http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?i

Re: [arch-general] Laptop beeps after resuming from suspension

2011-02-11 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:18 +0800, Thomas Dean wrote: > > > > It probably loads the pcspkr module. Adding !pcspkr to the modules array > > in rc.conf might fix it. Otherwise, a rmmod pcspkr in a post-sleep hook > > in /etc/pm/sleep.d/50-pcspkr (chmod +x it) might workaround it. > > The only mudule

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] glib2 2.28 from testing

2011-02-10 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 00:52 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > Hi, > i was a bit to excited by the new gtk3 released and i moved it to > testing without realizing that the new application lookup that comes > with it would break gnome 2.32 handling applications badly. > > Please revert back to core/extra

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] makepkg bug with epoch code

2011-02-09 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 20:52 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > On 09/02/11 20:46, Allan McRae wrote: > > Have not had time to look into this, but I get this error with the > > kernel26 PKGBUILD in Arch Linux [core] repo: > > > > umm.. wrong list :P > Allan broke it!

[arch-general] Crazy devs....

2011-02-09 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
I saw a pidgin update (2.7.10) and while downloading I thought I'd check the changelog. Go to pidgin.im, and the most recent version is 2.7.9. Its official, Arch Linux devs are faster than upstream! Shout-out to Ionut Biru and indeed to all the devs who make Arch Linux great =)

Re: [arch-general] ArchBang and other derivates resemblance to Arch

2011-02-07 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 10:26 +0100, Olivier Keun | CAPSTONE wrote: > I also have no problem with other distros using Arch as a basis, but the > problem is that it causes a pretty big influx of newbies who have no idea > how to configure and maintain Arch since they installed a one-click > installer.

Re: [arch-general] ArchBang and other derivates resemblance to Arch

2011-02-07 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 11:07 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > On 02/07/2011 10:51 AM, Olivier Keun wrote: > > > > What are your thoughts about this? I'm hoping to get an official reaction > > from our dev-team, so we can avoid some of the confusion that is present > > now. > > > > there is nothing wrong

Re: [arch-general] [testing] protocol - {WAS: [arch-dev-public] WARNING - glibc-2.13-2}

2011-02-06 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:37 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > On 06/02/11 20:16, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:10 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > >> I have removed the glibc-2.13-2 package until a fix is committed to > >> upstream git. All users should downgr

[arch-general] [testing] protocol - {WAS: [arch-dev-public] WARNING - glibc-2.13-2}

2011-02-06 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 20:10 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > I have removed the glibc-2.13-2 package until a fix is committed to > upstream git. All users should downgrade to the version in [core]. > > Allan While I understand why Allan did this, shouldn't this be unnecessary for the [testing] repo?

Re: [arch-general] Frequency of abs updates, would increasing frequency cost much?

2011-01-31 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 18:45 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 31 January 2011 17:45, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > I can't imagine a user waiting for a updated package of foo when there > > is a new version out and he wants to rebuild. (He just does that > > himself) > > > > To rest my case, i think th

Re: [arch-general] Frequency of abs updates, would increasing frequency cost much?

2011-01-30 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 17:21 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > On 31/01/11 16:27, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > This is more a general question, I understand abs is updated every 24 > > hours. Would more regular updates (say, every 1 hour or so) be better? > > > > Currently, for those

[arch-general] Frequency of abs updates, would increasing frequency cost much?

2011-01-30 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
This is more a general question, I understand abs is updated every 24 hours. Would more regular updates (say, every 1 hour or so) be better? Currently, for those (like me) who compulsively update, abs is pretty much guaranteed to be behind the latest packages in any mirror (by a max of 24 hours).

Re: [arch-general] wiki page for Building Trinity on Arch - You want it here or on the trinity site?

2011-01-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 12:38 -0700, Thomas S Hatch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Ray Rashif wrote: > > > On 29 January 2011 01:20, David C. Rankin > > wrote: > > > Guys, > > > > > >As I work through building the pkgbuilds for Trinity on Arch, I > > have > > > been keeping not

Re: [arch-general] [signoff] kernel26-2.6.37-4

2011-01-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 07:36 -0700, Sergey Manucharian wrote: > Excerpts from Ionuț Bîru's message of Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:57 +0200: > > > and with this, i rest my case. Cherry picking from testing is wrong > > and it should be all or nothing approach. > > I agree in general, but IMHO the kernel is

Re: [arch-general] about pacman -S nvidia

2011-01-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-27 at 14:28 +0100, Vlad George wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 06:21:38PM +0800, doherty pete wrote: > > i just down from kernel.org adn install it > CLASSIC! You gotta love one-word replies. Especially with the over-use of punctuation. Methinks the OP woul

[arch-general] Anyone getting 'Forbidden' on oxygen-icons-4.6.0-1-any from mirros.kernel.org?

2011-01-26 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
I can't download it from the website either. Probably the mirror didn't completely sync?

Re: [arch-general] Robson Peixoto invited you to Dropbox

2011-01-24 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 10:36 +, Peter Lewis wrote: > On Monday 24 January 2011 10:19:02 Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 10:12 +, Peter Lewis wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Monday 24 January 2011 10:06:18 Ray Rashif wrote: > > > > Guy

Re: [arch-general] Robson Peixoto invited you to Dropbox

2011-01-24 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 10:12 +, Peter Lewis wrote: > > > On Monday 24 January 2011 10:06:18 Ray Rashif wrote: > > Guys..I don't think anyone has to tell you this but such invites are > > _always_ unintended. E-mail services have a bad tendency to > > automatically insert contacts into your fri

Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders

2011-01-22 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 13:58 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Saturday, January 22, 2011 01:28:50 pm Geoffrey Teale wrote: > > 2011/1/22 Yaro Kasear > > > > > On Saturday, January 22, 2011 09:09:22 am Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > > &g

Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders

2011-01-22 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 06:23 -0500, hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com wrote: > > Can someone stop him from spamming our inboxes ? > > Meeku: "our" means the whole mailing list. You should have used the > word > "my" and if you are a c

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-22 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 13:43 +0100, Dieter Plaetinck wrote: > On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 13:36:45 +0100 > Jelle van der Waa wrote: > > > Secondly on the forums probably the trolls won't reply ;) > > afaik forums contains more trolls then mailing list. Probably in number, but I'd wager that replies are

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 03:18 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:11:40 +0800 > schrieb Ng Oon-Ee : > > > Specifically on this topic, I've noticed that the latest Ubuntu > > (which I setup on an old laptop for someone else) boots up REALLY > > fast

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 03:07 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > > I'm quite satisfied with the current sysv init. It does everything > which is needed to be done at boottime. And the init process simply is > only for booting the system and for nothing else. > > Btw., Ubuntu with its upstart or systemd is

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:55 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Thursday, January 20, 2011 06:48:14 pm Sander Jansen wrote: > (snip) > > > > - It's nice you can install it next to sysv-init. This makes it really > > easy to test without breaking the system. > > You can do this? I might try it out. If

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 18:25 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > I, personally, have never worked with him. I have seen enough criticism of > Pulse Audio, for example, getting handwaved and pinned on someone else's > project. I think about it logically: > > If it works fine with ALSA, why did it inexpli

Re: [arch-general] Rail Model font for coders

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 01:59 +0530, Piyush P Kurur wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 03:10:19PM -0500, > hare_krsna_hare_krsna_krsna_krsna_hare_hare_hare_rama_hare_rama_rama_rama_hare_h...@lavabit.com > wrote: > > > > > A quick search in google reveals that he spammed it across lists of > > > nume

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 15:52 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > I was ALMOST behind a switch to systemd until I found out the guy behind it > is > Lennart Poettering. Now we can expect a half-broken init system that'll be in > perpetual beta, and more passing off the buck on bug reports to > distributi

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:34 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > 2011/1/20 Ng Oon-Ee : > > That would be me. This above only holds if we don't utilize the > > initscripts, right? I understood from the forum thread that using those > > there'd be 'no turning back

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-20 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:11 +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have been working on integration of Arch and Systemd. Very much appreciated, thank you! > > Regarding people who are worried about getting an unbootable system: > systemd and sysvinit can (and should) be installed in pa

Re: [arch-general] When will Arch switch to Systemd

2011-01-19 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 17:22 -0600, Thomas Dziedzic wrote: > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Laurent Carlier wrote: > > Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 16:02:52, C Anthony Risinger a écrit : > >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, C Anthony Risinger > > wrote: > >> > Any ideas when will Arch switch to

Re: [arch-general] how to perform selected gnome installation with pacman?

2011-01-18 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2011-01-19 at 06:23 +, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > Boy, what's an opportunity to exercise my typing. I'm working in tty > now. :-( > > Is there any way to use cut-and-paste to compile the list and then to > copy it into a command line? > You could pipe the list of installed packages

Re: [arch-general] LibreOffice issues

2011-01-18 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 21:17 -0300, Martin wrote: > libreoffice-extension-presenter-screen is just the Presenter Console > extension, right? It seems to me that it is not working at all, since it > is not showed under extensions-manager plus using Impress through a > DataShow makes no change.

Re: [arch-general] Ye Olde Package Manager

2011-01-16 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 14:59 -0700, jwbirdsong wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 01/16/2011 12:43 PM, Brendan Long wrote: > {snip} > > > In general, if I need to make a package, I copy > > a random PKGBUILD from abs, change the top couple lines, and then set > > the b

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] libnl 2.0 rebuild

2011-01-16 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 15:33 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 16.01.2011 15:25, schrieb Ng Oon-Ee: > > In reference to the below:- [testing] is still 'safe' for those using > > networkmanager? > > What I wrote was wrong, I pushed those packages to stagin

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] libnl 2.0 rebuild

2011-01-16 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
In reference to the below:- [testing] is still 'safe' for those using networkmanager? In my understanding libnl1 would work like libpng12 from the AUR so it shouldn't stop working, is that correct? On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 15:18 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: > > I am uploading i686 packages for the f

Re: [arch-general] Ye Olde Package Manager

2011-01-16 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 12:22 +0100, Frédéric Perrin wrote: > Le dimanche 16 à 2:01, Allan McRae a écrit : > > There has been low interest in a real database solution due to > > potential issues recovering from corrupt databases and with the > > additional dependencies. > > A question from a rando

Re: [arch-general] makepkg --source makes empty folder src

2011-01-15 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2011-01-16 at 14:53 +1000, Joker-jar wrote: > Why makepkg --source makes empty folder "src"? Is it necessary? man makepkg Search for the term '--source'

Re: [arch-general] Problems with flickering monitor

2011-01-14 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 00:25 -0300, dario wrote: > Hi, i have a problem with my monitor, since when upgraded with pacman > -Syu then when reboot the PC i could not start Arch, but if in fallback. > Since my monitor flashes almost second. Then i don't know because walked > in normal mode but continue

Re: [arch-general] xdg autostart files.

2011-01-14 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 09:26 +, Peter Lewis wrote: > On Thursday 13 January 2011 22:39:30 Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > FWIW, on Gnome that directory seems ignored (at least wicd-gtk doesn't > > start up here). Pretty much par for the course for XDG complaince, > > then &

Re: [arch-general] xdg autostart files.

2011-01-13 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 22:02 +, Meyithi wrote: > On 13 January 2011 21:58, Peter Lewis wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I don't know much about XDG, but I was trying to figure out why every time > > I > > started up a desktop session (KDE) wicd-tray was being loaded, when I > > didn't > > want it to be.

Re: [arch-general] (now 4.5.5-1) Re: kde-4.5.4 loads kde3 kicker and background (even with ~/.kde & ~/.kde4 removed)

2011-01-11 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 20:37 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 01/11/2011 05:27 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > Yes, why don't we tweak upstream so that an unsupported older version > > can run alongside. > > > > Nothing against kde3, but if you want to use older ver

Re: [arch-general] (now 4.5.5-1) Re: kde-4.5.4 loads kde3 kicker and background (even with ~/.kde & ~/.kde4 removed)

2011-01-11 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 17:01 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: > > Ultimately though, there is still the question of "why on Arch?" to be > answered. When I find the culprit, I'll pass it on so we can revisit whether > there is something in how k4 is packaged for Arch needs tweaking. > Yes, why don'

Re: [arch-general] kernel 2.6.37 BKL

2011-01-06 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 10:50 +0100, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 06.01.2011 00:51, schrieb Matthew Monaco: > > Devs, > > > > Any plans about the BKL setting in .37? I've been running the rc's > > without it for a while now. > > Let's disable it and see how long it takes for people to notice that > t

Re: [arch-general] kernel 2.6.37 BKL

2011-01-05 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 19:45 -0500, Matthew Monaco wrote: > On 01/05/2011 07:23 PM, Jan Steffens wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Matthew Monaco > > wrote: > >> Devs, > >> > >> Any plans about the BKL setting in .37? I've been running the rc's without > >> it for a while now. > >> > > >

[arch-general] gnucash in [extra]

2011-01-05 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
Hi, I noticed that said package is out of date, am attaching a slightly updated PKGBUILD for the latest version here (compiles and runs fine on my machine x86_64). Normally I'd wait, but the maintainer is Aaron and as I understand he's not very active round these parts anymore. P.S. - hope the at

Re: [arch-general] ArchStudio

2010-12-31 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 22:50 +0800, Wang Bo wrote: > Great job. > > I have a question. My kword does not work very well with *.doc files. I > installed KDE and then kword. But when I tried to open a doc file, there > is a message of "Not a valid koffice file". > > Has anyone ever encountered t

Re: [arch-general] postfix/procmail unable to write to /var/spool/mail/$USER

2010-12-18 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-12-18 at 22:42 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 12/18/2010 08:17 PM, Matthew Gyurgyik wrote: > > Maybe you need to spend a bit more time with your problems before posting > > on the > > ML. Use the bbs for general support questions. You've had 4 threads in the > > past > > 3 days!

Re: [arch-general] Patent protection

2010-12-08 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 00:17 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > On 12/08/2010 11:47 PM, Armando M. Baratti wrote: > > Probably many of you know about the acquisition of 882 of Novell's > > patents by a Microsoft organized consortium [1]. > > > > > > Armando > > stop spreading FUD > The more paranoia and

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-12-08 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 01:48 -0700, Jeff Cook wrote: > >> > Really please, please don't top post. > >> > http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/ > >> > >> Who cares! it takes too long to scroll down through the past fifteen > >> generations to get to the relevant part of the message. > > > > Wel

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] dropping go-openoffice/icu-4.6 rebuilds

2010-12-07 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 20:06 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > On 12/07/2010 08:02 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 18:49 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > >> On 12/07/2010 06:44 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > >>> On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:07 +0100, Andreas Radke wrote: > &g

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] dropping go-openoffice/icu-4.6 rebuilds

2010-12-07 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 18:49 +0200, Ionuț Bîru wrote: > On 12/07/2010 06:44 PM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:07 +0100, Andreas Radke wrote: > >> Packages moved from staging to testing. > >> > >> OpenOffice-base-{beta,devel} will get rebuilt wh

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] dropping go-openoffice/icu-4.6 rebuilds

2010-12-07 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:07 +0100, Andreas Radke wrote: > Packages moved from staging to testing. > > OpenOffice-base-{beta,devel} will get rebuilt whit the next upstream > update. Go-OpenOffice has been removed from the extra repo. > > Community packages sword+yaz still need to be rebuilt. > >

Re: [arch-general] Changing subject line - Was: Python 3 Rationale?

2010-12-07 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 23:24 -0500, Kaiting Chen wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > > > Top posting vs. going off topic without changing subject lines. I'm not > > sure which is worse... > > > > Bottom posting in Gmail is a pain in the ass. --Kaiting. > 1. Click 'Reply

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-12-06 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 10:27 -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > > Really please, please don't top post. > > http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/ > > Who cares! it takes too long to scroll down through the past fifteen > generations to get to the relevant part of the message. If you're posting on

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-12-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 21:09 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Jan Steffens wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Sander Jansen wrote: > >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but if pulseaudio is installed, I believe you > >> should be able to prevent it from startin

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-30 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 20:41 +0100, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > Sander Jansen wrote: > > 2010/11/29 "Jérôme M. Berger" : > >>This bug is even worse for me: the only output that PA will > >> recognize on my system is the HDMI output from my *video* card! I > >> don't have any HDMI capable per

Re: [arch-general] what happened to nut (network-ups-tools)?

2010-11-30 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 01:00 -0600, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 11/29/2010 11:07 PM, Loui Chang wrote: > > I'd like to encourage you to perform several searches in different > > places before asking any question on the mailing list. Ideally, such > > trivial questions should never be asked on the li

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-29 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 13:21 +0100, Damjan Georgievski wrote: > > I've put PulseAudio into [testing] some time ago, but received no > > feedback on this. > > > > This either means it works well, or nobody uses it. > > > > So I'm asking for it now, especially from GNOME and KDE users running > > Puls

Re: [arch-general] Pulseaudio

2010-11-29 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 10:21 +0100, Jan de Groot wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 10:09 +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > > I guess I am one of those pulse-haters. I don't care whether it's in > > [extra], some other official repo or not since I simply don't need it. > > But now mplayer pulls in libp

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 01:10 +0100, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 07:28:45AM +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > > The ONLY major ALSA 'feature' which is not supported is memmap. Direct > > access to the sound-card's memory. Pulseaudio's devs a

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:38 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:27 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > GNOME 3 isn't even released yet. There's no CURRENT dependency in Arch, > in [extra], for Pulse Audio. Others have explained this to you already. > > Fin

Re: [arch-general] Opinions on pulseaudio [WAS: PulseAudio in [testing]]

2010-11-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 10:18 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 00:15 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > > On 29 November 2010 00:08, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > > Once again, I say PA is far from the kind of quality I'd expect from a > > > package in [extra], and I'm surprised the Arch devs are

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-28 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 17:49 +0800, Ray Rashif wrote: > On 28 November 2010 11:24, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 11:17 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > >> On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 18:21 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > >> > I don't see KDE upstream doing that.

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 18:21 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 08:18 +0800, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > Just don't use Gnome. Upstream is going to make Pulseaudio default. KDE > > as well, maybe. > > > I don't see KDE upstream doing that. They have Ph

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 19:34 -0200, Bernardo Barros wrote: > My experience is that pulseaudio sometimes works for simple desktop audio. > Any serious work with audio it just cause (or potentially cause) problems... > (again, just my experience) if (serious audio work); then pulseaudio -k; jackd

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 13:01 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Philipp Überbacher > > Gnome isn't Linux, Gnome is primarily a DAU-top. I don't see why gnome > > should govern the direction of every distribution. Yes, ubuntu decided > > that they want to follow and b

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 12:09 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > > I stated it before, but I'll say it here, I don't think Pulse Audio is > right for [extra]. Compiz is a lot more stable and still manages to stay > in [community]. Pulse goes down a lot and takes sound with it and it's > getting put in [ex

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 11:55 +, Peter Lewis wrote: > On Saturday 27 November 2010 06:30:36 Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > > >> Good to see the overwhelming positive lean; is pulse being considered > > > >> for an eventual default by chance? > > > > > >

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-27 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-11-27 at 11:33 +, Mauro Santos wrote: > On 27-11-2010 01:18, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 21:34 +0100, Jan Steffens wrote: > >> I've put PulseAudio into [testing] some time ago, but received no > >> feedback on this. > >>

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-26 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 23:02 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > On Nov 26, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > > > On 27/11/10 14:51, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > >> Good to see the overwhelming positive lean; is pulse being considered > >> for an eventual default by chance? > > > > Almost noth

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-26 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 21:34 +0100, Jan Steffens wrote: > I've put PulseAudio into [testing] some time ago, but received no > feedback on this. > > This either means it works well, or nobody uses it. > > So I'm asking for it now, especially from GNOME and KDE users running > PulseAudio. Smallish

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-26 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 18:46 -0600, Yaro Kasear wrote: > On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 21:34 +0100, Jan Steffens wrote: > > I've put PulseAudio into [testing] some time ago, but received no > > feedback on this. > > > > This either means it works well, or nobody uses it. > > > > So I'm asking for it now,

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio in [testing]

2010-11-26 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 21:34 +0100, Jan Steffens wrote: > I've put PulseAudio into [testing] some time ago, but received no > feedback on this. > > This either means it works well, or nobody uses it. > > So I'm asking for it now, especially from GNOME and KDE users running > PulseAudio. Been usin

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [extra] repository cleanup

2010-11-17 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 16:47 +0100, Andrea Scarpino wrote: > On Wednesday 17 November 2010 16:37:41 甘露(Gan Lu) wrote: > > If some says "this is shame", "I'm leaving", > > "you suck", "developers are selfish", you could certainly discard > > them, but not I or Heiko, we just talk about our opinion.

Re: [arch-general] Replace dcron once again?

2010-11-14 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 00:08 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > On (11/15/10 09:05), Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > -~> On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 14:39 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > -~> > On (11/14/10 14:05), Isaac Dupree wrote: > -~> > -~> On 11/14/10 09:32, Jim Pryor wrote: > -~> >

Re: [arch-general] Replace dcron once again?

2010-11-14 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 14:39 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > On (11/14/10 14:05), Isaac Dupree wrote: > -~> On 11/14/10 09:32, Jim Pryor wrote: > -~> >... > -~> > > -~> >I would certainly understand and could not reasonably object to any > -~> >distro's demoting dcron to an unofficial package. But as I

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [extra] repository cleanup

2010-11-13 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 17:32 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > > And I have nothing against cleaning up a repo. But this should be done > more considered. Means only unimportant, unpopular packages or packages > which don't run anymore should be moved to AUR or removed completely but > not packages which

Re: [arch-general] Could python2 be breaking genpkgmetadata.py?

2010-11-11 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 13:46 +0800, Gergely Imreh wrote: > On 12 November 2010 13:32, David C. Rankin > wrote: > > Guys, > > > >I'm using yum-createrepo 0.9.8-3 on from AUR and suddenly my > > createrepo updates > > on my Arch server are failing with the following error: > > > > 23:22 nirv

Re: [arch-general] Replace dcron once again?

2010-11-11 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 16:31 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Not only this, but also the fact that now there are 2 crons being maintained: > fcron in community and dcron in core. Removing dcron to, say, AUR, will be a > wiser use of devs' time... Bottom-posting please. And I don't see a problem with t

[arch-general] gnome-power-manager users - does pm-suspend run?

2010-11-08 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
Hi all, I don't actually recall when this started happening, but somewhere along the line g-p-m started directly performing a suspend without going through the pm-suspend script. I have some scripts in /etc/pm/sleep.d that are run when I do 'sudo pm-suspend', but aren't run when I do a suspend fro

[arch-general] abs [WAS: arch-dev-public] Package maintainers wanted - heimdal, db, abs

2010-11-06 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
Wasn't there a successor or replacement to abs in the works? A git-based one, I believe? (maybe I'm creating false memories?) On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 16:40 +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone wanted to maintain the following packages: > > heimdal, db: I maintain these on

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] db-5.1 rebuild

2010-11-01 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 22:42 -0400, Matthew Monaco wrote: > On 11/01/2010 10:37 PM, Jason Reardon wrote: > > I'm somewhat of a mailing list lurker. I've read before that one thing Arch > > is lacking in are normal users testing packages. So, I wrote a script to > > install packages from testing when

Re: [arch-general] How to approve Linux distributions into Distrowatch?

2010-10-31 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
lowyat fellas, all Ubuntu/Fedora as well). Your question isn't really suitable for this list though. I'm sure there's some FAQ or related on distrowatch detailing the process. Cheers, Ng Oon-Ee P.S. - oh, having 1Malaysia on a Linux distro is a bit too nationalistic I think =). Linux is worldwide, after all.

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] glibc-2.12.1-4

2010-10-26 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Allan McRae wrote: > On 27/10/10 13:25, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Thomas Bächler >>  wrote: >>> >>> Am 26.10.2010 03:38, schrieb Allan McRae: >>>> >>>> Another day, anot

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [signoff] glibc-2.12.1-4

2010-10-26 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Am 26.10.2010 03:38, schrieb Allan McRae: >> Another day, another glibc... >> >> This adjusts the static linking fix. The one previously used is a more >> correct fix but appears incomplete.  I have replaced this by a hack fix >> that Fedora

Re: [arch-general] Python 3 Rationale?

2010-10-22 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 22:50 +0530, Gaurish Sharma wrote: > Hi, > I don't agree that python 3 is ready for mass use yet. I think arch > made a premature switch. > > Hence, I am not upgrading my system. I hope archlinux rollbacks python3 > update. > > Regards, > Gary "Hey look, devs did something

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] preparing LibreOffice

2010-10-17 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 10:00 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > On 10/14/2010 02:51 AM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: > > Scratch that, it does work after all. Didn't realize that I neglected to > > kill the OOO launcher in the taskbar before testing... > > > > Now that's t

Re: [arch-general] Building packages, and their dependencies

2010-10-15 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
On Fri, 2010-10-15 at 14:24 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:06, Ray Rashif wrote: > > On 15 October 2010 18:37, Magnus Therning wrote: > >> I have a tree of packages, organised similarly to ABS, i.e. directory > >> names match package name, and in each directory is a PK

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