Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > 2011/5/29 Vytautas Stankevičius : >> I seem to remember that the point of rc.conf was to configure system in one >> place. Looks like the politics are changing. > > rc.conf is the one place for all Arch-specific settings. As you know > /etc i

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
2011/5/29 Vytautas Stankevičius : > I seem to remember that the point of rc.conf was to configure system in one > place. Looks like the politics are changing. rc.conf is the one place for all Arch-specific settings. As you know /etc is full of config files owned by different packages, rc.conf is f

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Vytautas Stankevičius
On Sunday 29 of May 2011 13:56:15 Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Auguste Pop wrote: > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > >> I have not found any uses of the MODULES array like you describe (if > >> they exist they should be considered bugs though,

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Meyithi wrote: > If that happened then you used the Archboot install media with it's hwdetect > consistent device ordering option.  Archboot isn't official install media > and I suspect that feature will have to be reworked because of the udev > changes anyway. Th

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Robert Howard wrote: > I recently did a fresh install and noticed a ton of modules prefixed with ! > in rc.conf by default.  Not at the box currently but it was 5-7 modules > listed. This will have to be changed. This is not in the initscripts package. Don't know

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Meyithi
On 29 May 2011 15:53, Robert Howard wrote: > I recently did a fresh install and noticed a ton of modules prefixed with ! > in rc.conf by default. Not at the box currently but it was 5-7 modules > listed. This will have to be changed. > > Also, this functionality has worked the same way for the e

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Robert Howard
I recently did a fresh install and noticed a ton of modules prefixed with ! in rc.conf by default. Not at the box currently but it was 5-7 modules listed. This will have to be changed. Also, this functionality has worked the same way for the entire time that I've used Arch. That is since 2003 and

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Richard Schütz wrote: > ood idea, as some applications still need it. For example escputil, which is > shipped with gutenprint, needs usblp to read the ink levels from some EPSON > printers. So only blacklisting it by default seems to be the better way. Thanks for

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Richard Schütz
Am 29.05.2011 12:52, schrieb Tom Gundersen: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Casey Peter wrote: Also !usblp for those of us with USB printer issues. (especially HP usb inkjets) Yup, blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d (we should probably fix this once and for all, I believe other distro's simp

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Auguste Pop
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > No. I was saying that only load-modules.sh/initscripts should parse > the MODULES array directly (Oon-ee was suggesting that udev rules > might rely on the MODULES array). > > Once we make this change, then blacklisting in rc.conf will become

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Casey Peter
On 05/29/2011 04:52 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Casey Peter wrote: Also !usblp for those of us with USB printer issues. (especially HP usb inkjets) Yup, blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d (we should probably fix this once and for all, I believe other distro's simp

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Auguste Pop wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> I have not found any uses of the MODULES array like you describe (if >> they exist they should be considered bugs though, the MODULES array >> was not meant to be used in this way). How

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Casey Peter wrote: > Also !usblp  for those of us with USB printer issues.  (especially HP usb > inkjets) Yup, blacklist it in /etc/modprobe.d (we should probably fix this once and for all, I believe other distro's simply removed this module, but haven't had time

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Auguste Pop
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > I have not found any uses of the MODULES array like you describe (if > they exist they should be considered bugs though, the MODULES array > was not meant to be used in this way). However, if anyone knows of > any, then please let me know. >

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >>> Thanks for your Oon-ee. >>> >>> Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Tom Gundersen

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Casey Peter
On 05/29/2011 04:32 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: Thanks for your Oon-ee. Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: rc.conf - MODULE

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> Thanks for your Oon-ee. >> >> Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >>> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >>> rc.conf - MODULES(!mod1, !mod2): blackli

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Thanks for your Oon-ee. > > Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: >> On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: >> >>> rc.conf - MODULES(!mod1, !mod2): blacklisting modules in the modules >>> array will no longer have

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Tom Gundersen
Thanks for your Oon-ee. Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > >> rc.conf - MODULES(!mod1, !mod2): blacklisting modules in the modules >> array will no longer have any effect. modprobe already provides two >> different ways of p

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] removing load-modules.sh from udev

2011-05-29 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > rc.conf - MODULES(!mod1, !mod2): blacklisting modules in the modules > array will no longer have any effect. modprobe already provides two > different ways of preventing modules from being loaded, so this is > just a matter of updating some