Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-22 Thread Arvid Picciani
On 12/21/2009 01:31 PM, Frédéric Perrin wrote: Le lundi 21 à 18:57, Laurie Clark-Michalek a écrit : And on the anal sex point... actually, I think it'd be better for the convocation as a whole if we dropped that analogy.

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-21 Thread Emmanuel Gras
2009/12/20 Laurie Clark-Michalek bluepepp...@archlinux.us You cannot write an application for windows and expect it to work on Linux. Java? The success of the language is based around the fact that almost every computer has the runtime installed, regardless of operating system. Does that

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-21 Thread Angel Velásquez
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Laurie Clark-Michalek bluepepp...@archlinux.us wrote: You cannot write an application for windows and expect it to work on Linux. Java? The success of the language is based around the fact that almost every computer has the runtime installed, regardless of

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-21 Thread Ryan Sims
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:24 AM, RedShift redsh...@pandora.be wrote: Hi all It dawned on my that lots of industries have standards and companies generally keep to them. For example slabs of aluminium have standard sizes, building materials have well defined specifications, or take electrical

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-21 Thread Laurie Clark-Michalek
2009/12/21 Angel Velásquez an...@archlinux.com.ve: On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Laurie Clark-Michalek bluepepp...@archlinux.us wrote: You cannot write an application for windows and expect it to work on Linux. Java? The success of the language is based around the fact that almost every

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-21 Thread Chris Brannon
Laurie Clark-Michalek bluepepp...@archlinux.us writes: Java? The success of the language is based around the fact that almost every computer has the runtime installed, regardless of operating system. Does that not count as a global API? The concept is called write once, run anywhere. An

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-21 Thread Frédéric Perrin
Le lundi 21 à 18:57, Laurie Clark-Michalek a écrit : And on the anal sex point... actually, I think it'd be better for the convocation as a whole if we dropped that analogy. Is that what they call a

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-21 Thread Laurie Clark-Michalek
2009/12/21 Frédéric Perrin frederic.per...@resel.fr: Le lundi 21 à 18:57, Laurie Clark-Michalek a écrit : And on the anal sex point... actually, I think it'd be better for the convocation as a whole if we dropped that analogy.                                                                

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-20 Thread Pierre Chapuis
Le Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:10:29 +0100, Frédéric Perrin frederic.per...@resel.fr a écrit : Le vendredi 18 à 10:24, RedShift a écrit : Things like enumerating all hardware devices, configuring a network interface, drawing a window, ejecting the CD-ROM drive, getting

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-20 Thread Laurie Clark-Michalek
You cannot write an application for windows and expect it to work on Linux. Java? The success of the language is based around the fact that almost every computer has the runtime installed, regardless of operating system. Does that not count as a global API? Laurie

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-19 Thread Frédéric Perrin
Le vendredi 18 à 10:24, RedShift a écrit : Things like enumerating all hardware devices, configuring a network interface, drawing a window, ejecting the CD-ROM drive, getting notified about new hardware plugged in, etc... It's different on every operating system.

[arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread RedShift
Hi all It dawned on my that lots of industries have standards and companies generally keep to them. For example slabs of aluminium have standard sizes, building materials have well defined specifications, or take electrical components: there's a huge list of standardized components. You can

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread Damien Churchill
2009/12/18 RedShift redsh...@pandora.be: Hi all It dawned on my that lots of industries have standards and companies generally keep to them. For example slabs of aluminium have standard sizes, building materials have well defined specifications, or take electrical components: there's a huge

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread Fabian Schölzel
For example slabs of aluminium have standard sizes I would guess there are at least 50 different standards available for alu plates. But the difference to the computer world is, you can take any of that plates, drill a hole and mount stuff. building materials have well defined specifications

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread sherryhowell50
I think it's because computers develop too quickly to have it. Some of the other things you mention such as building materials have been around for years, even centuries, and are the way they are going to be. I think if someone developed a bright new way of creating aluminum ingots for instance,

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread Pierre Chapuis
There are things like that (think NDIS - it's Microsoft, but it's a step in the right direction), just not enough , but I think it's a question of time. -- catwell

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread Arvid Picciani
On 12/18/2009 01:26 AM, Damien Churchill wrote: Isn't this what POSIX was, albeit quite old now, but still a standard? imagine that: some people out there still think posix is THE standard and people should read the spec BEFORE reimplementing basics in the name of making things cross

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 3:26 AM, Damien Churchill dam...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't this what POSIX was, albeit quite old now, but still a standard? POSIX and the SUSv3 (Single Unix Specification)

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread Chris Brannon
Pierre Chapuis catw...@archlinux.us writes: There are things like that (think NDIS - it's Microsoft, but it's a step in the right direction), just not enough , but I think it's a question of time. And then there's the UDI (universal driver interface) (UDI), which Stallman doesn't like. I can

Re: [arch-general] A universal Operating System API - why don't we have it?

2009-12-18 Thread Xavier
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Chris Brannon cmbranno...@gmail.com wrote: Pierre Chapuis catw...@archlinux.us writes: There are things like that (think NDIS - it's Microsoft, but it's a step in the right direction), just not enough , but I think it's a question of time. And then there's