Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sun, 05 Jan 2020 14:12:44 +, Ralph Corderoy wrote: >Another time, I'll make clear it's a carry-over from a different list >to avoid confusion for those not reading both. Hi Ralph, no worries! It's interesting to read the thread. Thank you for forwarding it to Arch general. I can't comment

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-05 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Ralf, > Could you please provide a pointer to the start of this thread? https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2020-January/029795.html As Eli pointed out, it started on another list to which I can subscribe, but not post. On attempting to post, the auto-reply suggests using a

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:33:19 -0500, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: >Who said anything about System V init? Why would System V init be >needed for portability? Running startup scripts by using run levels isn't that uncommon outside of Linux.

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:33:19 -0500, Eli Schwartz via arch-general wrote: >The thread started on arch-dev-public; replies on arch-general occurred >when members of the community wished to discuss the matter as well. >Hope that helps. :) Hi Eli, yes, it's helpful ;). Regards, Ralf PS: I prefer bas

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 1/4/20 9:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf via arch-general wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 12:41:26 +, Ralph Corderoy wrote: >> Arch users may be producing code for non-Arch, non-Linux, systems. > > Happy New Year! > > Pff! Bash is the most used login shell for Linux for good reasons. > Sometimes I like i

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread SET via arch-general
Le samedi 4 janvier 2020 16:50:24 CET Neven Sajko via arch-general a écrit : > http://www.etalabs.net/sh_tricks.html Thank you very much. Your 'echo' insight and fundamentals highlight differences between professionals and amateurs like me !

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:50:24 +, Neven Sajko wrote: >http://www.etalabs.net/sh_tricks.html Thank you :)!

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Neven Sajko via arch-general
> Actually I wasn't interested to reply at all, I'm just curious about > information related to POSIX vs Linux, IOW I'm interested in learning > by reading, but it's a broken thread. Maybe you would like this: https://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html http://www.etalabs.net/sh_tricks.html

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Neven Sajko via arch-general
> Linux isn't POSIX, period! I think Linux and its userspace (musl and glibc) try the hardest to be POSIX. Don't they get the first implementations of new POSIX APIs, compared to Darwin or the BSDs?

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf via arch-general
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 12:41:26 +, Ralph Corderoy wrote: >Arch users may be producing code for non-Arch, non-Linux, systems. Happy New Year! Pff! Bash is the most used login shell for Linux for good reasons. Sometimes I like it faster, hence I like to use dash, sometimes I like portability to at

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-04 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Seblu, > Our scripts are not written POSIX compatible (i.e they rely on more > tools than the standard). Do you still know people writing POSIX > compatible scripts nowadays (students excluded)? Yes, lots of projects that target Unix systems, not just Linux, stick to POSIX for their build scri

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-03 Thread Eli Schwartz via arch-general
On 1/3/20 10:49 AM, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Santiago, > >> I'm curious, though, are there any specifics about the providers on >> these POSIX tools/libraries/whatnot (i.e., would it be wortwhile >> discussing the alternatives?). > > Is sh being provided by bash(1)? A more POSIX-compliant shel

Re: [arch-general] Adding a "posix" metapackage

2020-01-03 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi Santiago, > I'm curious, though, are there any specifics about the providers on > these POSIX tools/libraries/whatnot (i.e., would it be wortwhile > discussing the alternatives?). Is sh being provided by bash(1)? A more POSIX-compliant shell may be better, one that doesn't let lots of bashism