Adam Lantos wrote:
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Damjan Georgievski
> wrote:
> > - it will put to an END to any possible misinterpretations and
> > uncertainties - now and in the future
>
> he certainly is not interested in ending these pointless battles :)
Let me correct yoour typo:
I
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Damjan Georgievski wrote:
> - it will put to an END to any possible misinterpretations and
> uncertainties - now and in the future
he certainly is not interested in ending these pointless battles :)
>> Jörg, why don't you just change the license of your cdrtools to a
>> licensing scheme - either change every part of it to the GPL, set it
>> under a dual license or whatever - which is indisputable and doubtless
>> instead of arguing with the distributors all the time over years?
>>
>> It's real
Attila wrote:
> Sorry to say but until there is no decision from a law court i see this only
> as
> a interpersonal problem and therefore i prefer to discuss about technical
> things. Perhaps this is because i'm a former OS/2 user but what i really
> don't
> understand is the support for sof
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> in the spirit of open licenses, mildly incompatible or not, include
> the best tool for the job = cdrtools.
>
> on a final note, Jeorg, it would be extremely beneficial if you could
> cite a hard resource regarding the legalities involved here, as you
> seem to have a
Mauro Santos wrote:
> > Later, some "religuous" crowd came up and claimed that Earth is flat.
> >
> > I encourage you to just ignore those people who claim that Earth is flat
> > and
> > that there is a supposed legal problem with cdrtools.
>
> Sure I can ignore people who say that Earth is fl
At Mittwoch, 26. Mai 2010 19:18 Mauro Santos wrote:
> If the debian people are just spreading FUD as you say they are, then
> prove them wrong once and for all with hard evidence regarding the
> legal matters, then let people make up their own minds instead of
> wanting people to believe something
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 05/26/10 07:27, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>
> Do you really like to use extremely outdated, buggy and dead code?
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>>
> Yes
>
> Here here !
After all, this is open source ! Tts the *community *that decides what they
want to do, not
On 05/26/10 07:27, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Do you really like to use extremely outdated, buggy and dead code?
Jörg
Yes
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Xavier Chantry
wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:32 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>>
>> at the possibility of playing devils advocate, i don't see anything
>> outrageous by Jeorg's claims... even after reading the full 40+
>> messages twice and the "yay" thread s
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:32 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>
> at the possibility of playing devils advocate, i don't see anything
> outrageous by Jeorg's claims... even after reading the full 40+
> messages twice and the "yay" thread started afterwards.
>
Sorry to inform you that you did not rea
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Mauro Santos
wrote:
> On 05/26/2010 04:59 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
>> Mauro Santos wrote:
>>
>>> "Because I say so" is not a valid backup for your claims, Earth used to
>>> be flat and the center of the universe because the "experts" of that
>>> time "said so".
On 05/26/2010 04:59 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Mauro Santos wrote:
>
>> "Because I say so" is not a valid backup for your claims, Earth used to
>> be flat and the center of the universe because the "experts" of that
>> time "said so". This behavior gets people mad at you and invariably
>
> Goo
On 26/05/10 16:59, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Mauro Santos wrote:
"Because I say so" is not a valid backup for your claims, Earth used to
be flat and the center of the universe because the "experts" of that
time "said so". This behavior gets people mad at you and invariably
Good point!
Since mo
Mauro Santos wrote:
> "Because I say so" is not a valid backup for your claims, Earth used to
> be flat and the center of the universe because the "experts" of that
> time "said so". This behavior gets people mad at you and invariably
Good point!
Since more than 3000 years men know that Earth i
On 05/26/2010 02:48 PM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Heiko Baums wrote:
>
>> You keep arguing, you always persist on having cdrtools added to the
>> repos in favor of cdrkit.
>>
>> You always claim, that cdrkit has legal issues.
>
> At the same time you claim that you believe the slander from Debian
Am Wed, 26 May 2010 15:48:29 +0200
schrieb joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling):
> Heiko Baums wrote:
>
> > You keep arguing, you always persist on having cdrtools added to the
> > repos in favor of cdrkit.
> >
> > You always claim, that cdrkit has legal issues.
>
> At the same
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Joerg Schilling <
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
> Is there any hope to have a reasonable discussion?
No.
--
Guilherme M. Nogueira
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
- Arthur C. Clarke
Heiko Baums wrote:
> You keep arguing, you always persist on having cdrtools added to the
> repos in favor of cdrkit.
>
> You always claim, that cdrkit has legal issues.
At the same time you claim that you believe the slander from Debian.
Is there any hope to have a reasonable discussion?
> And
Am Wed, 26 May 2010 14:42:57 +0200
schrieb joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling):
> The problem seems to be only that people believe the liensing
> nonsense FUD spread by Debian.
>
> Distributors who did ask their lawyers did either never change to the
> broken and illegal cod fro
Jan de Groot wrote:
> 1) This is permitted, though it turns the complete package into GPL.
> This is also why libcdio has moved from gst-plugins-good to
> gst-plugins-ugly. Note that LGPL gives permission to change the license
> to ordinary GPL in section 3.
You can't do this as such a change wo
Allan McRae wrote:
> > For obvious reasons, I only believe a claim from Moglen as long as it has
> > been
> > verified to be aligned with statements from other lawyers. With respect to
> > Moglens public claims quoted above, Moglen is in conflict with many other
> > lawyers, so I can't take him
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Joerg Schilling <
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:
> Heiko Baums wrote:
>
> > > Why does e.g. Debian still ship libcdio? Every unbiased person should
> > > have no problem to understand that what Debian did was just a slander
> > > campaign against an O
Heiko Baums wrote:
> > Why does e.g. Debian still ship libcdio? Every unbiased person should
> > have no problem to understand that what Debian did was just a slander
> > campaign against an OpenSource project.
> >
> > Jörg
>
> Jörg, why don't you just change the license of your cdrtools to a
>
On 26/05/10 22:21, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Xavier Chantry wrote:
Jorg also mentioned that Eben Moglen approved the original software :
http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-January/010380.html
which was proved to be wrong from Eben Moglen himself :
http://mailman.archlinux.or
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:29 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Jan de Groot wrote:
>
> > > Sun legal department. Do you know of a single Linux distro that
> > > dropped libcdio
> > > because of the obvious licence violations in libcdio?
> >
> > Libcdio doesn't violate any license, but it's GPL, whi
Am Wed, 26 May 2010 13:35:55 +0200
schrieb joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling):
> Well, the license of the original software has been verified by Sun
> lawyers. People who are interested in more information may ask e.g.
> Simon Phipps and everybody can easily check that Solaris s
Jan de Groot wrote:
> > Sun legal department. Do you know of a single Linux distro that
> > dropped libcdio
> > because of the obvious licence violations in libcdio?
>
> Libcdio doesn't violate any license, but it's GPL, while Sun doesn't
> want GPL'ed libraries in Solaris. GPL for libraries is
Xavier Chantry wrote:
> Jorg also mentioned that Eben Moglen approved the original software :
> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-January/010380.html
> which was proved to be wrong from Eben Moglen himself :
> http://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2010-Februar
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 13:35 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> ust to make clear how picky license violations are handled with
> Solaris, check
> that "libcdio" has been removed from Solaris distributions in 2007
> because of
> the license violations in libcdio that have been found by Sun lawyers
>
"Rasmus Steinke" wrote:
> The ONLY reason cdrkit is used in many distributions is the license of
> cdrtools. Jörg mentions on his website that suns lawyers have analyzed the
> legal issues.
> Unfortunately there is no link to that analysis which makes this a pure
> claim.
Well, the license o
Daenyth Blank wrote:
> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 22:49, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> >
> > What ? Is that really true ?!?!? State some link where it is officially
> > declared by the developers.
> Joerg is the author of the software he recommends, so not exactly unbiased...
I am also the main aut
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Rasmus Steinke wrote:
>
> Jörg has a point. While of course being biased about his pet cdrtools,
> cdrkit is not on par with cdrtools in any way.
> Those updates you mention more or less only consist of small fixes, no
> progess at all in that package.
>
> The ONL
On Sat, 22 May 2010 01:47:18 +0200, Isaac Dupree
wrote:
On 05/21/10 04:29, Joerg Schilling wrote:
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
Arch Linux Wiki:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CD_Burning#Command-line_CD-burning
(see "Burning an iso image")
The URL you mention gives bad advise as it en
2010/5/23 Ng Oon-Ee :
> On Sat, 2010-05-22 at 23:07 -0400, Daenyth Blank wrote:
>> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 22:49, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>> >
>> > What ? Is that really true ?!?!? State some link where it is officially
>> > declared by the developers.
>> Joerg is the author of the software he
On Sat, 2010-05-22 at 23:07 -0400, Daenyth Blank wrote:
> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 22:49, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> >
> > What ? Is that really true ?!?!? State some link where it is officially
> > declared by the developers.
> Joerg is the author of the software he recommends, so not exactly un
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 22:49, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
>
> What ? Is that really true ?!?!? State some link where it is officially
> declared by the developers.
Joerg is the author of the software he recommends, so not exactly unbiased...
On 05/23/2010 01:32 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
On 22-05-2010 01:24, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
On 05/21/2010 08:14 PM, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
In fact I *use* cdrecord.
I've just pointed to the wiki page as it was handy and the options are
(at most) the same.
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
> On 22-05-2010 01:24, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> > On 05/21/2010 08:14 PM, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
> >>>
> >> In fact I *use* cdrecord.
> >> I've just pointed to the wiki page as it was handy and the options are
> >> (at most) the same.
> >>
> >> My fault not ment
On 22-05-2010 01:24, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
On 05/21/2010 08:14 PM, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
In fact I *use* cdrecord.
I've just pointed to the wiki page as it was handy and the options are
(at most) the same.
My fault not mentioning the other project.
Armando
cdrecord is same as wod
On 05/21/2010 08:14 PM, Armando M. Baratti wrote:
On 21-05-2010 05:29, Joerg Schilling wrote:
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
Arch Linux Wiki:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CD_Burning#Command-line_CD-burning
(see "Burning an iso image")
The URL you mention gives bad advise as it encourage
On 05/21/10 04:29, Joerg Schilling wrote:
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
Arch Linux Wiki:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CD_Burning#Command-line_CD-burning
(see "Burning an iso image")
The URL you mention gives bad advise as it encourages you to use software that
is unmaintained since man
On 21-05-2010 05:29, Joerg Schilling wrote:
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
Arch Linux Wiki:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CD_Burning#Command-line_CD-burning
(see "Burning an iso image")
The URL you mention gives bad advise as it encourages you to use software that
is unmaintained since m
-Original Message-
> Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 10:29:00 +0200
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Burning From Command Line
> From: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)
> To: arch-general@archlinux.org
> "Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
>
&
"Armando M. Baratti" wrote:
> Arch Linux Wiki:
> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CD_Burning#Command-line_CD-burning
>
> (see "Burning an iso image")
The URL you mention gives bad advise as it encourages you to use software that
is unmaintained since many years and full of bugs (wodim, genis
On 5/20/10, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:
> On 05/20/2010 10:00 PM, Dave Morgan wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2010, at 17:26, Carlos Mennens wrote:
>>
>> How do I create a bootable install disk from an .ISO image I
>> downloaded from the Arch site? I would like to know how to do this via
>> CLI only rat
On 05/20/2010 10:00 PM, Dave Morgan wrote:
On 20 May 2010, at 17:26, Carlos Mennens wrote:
How do I create a bootable install disk from an .ISO image I
downloaded from the Arch site? I would like to know how to do this via
CLI only rather than using a front end GUI like Gnome Baker, K3B, or
B
On 20-05-2010 13:26, Carlos Mennens wrote:
How do I create a bootable install disk from an .ISO image I
downloaded from the Arch site? I would like to know how to do this via
CLI only rather than using a front end GUI like Gnome Baker, K3B, or
Brasero. Does anyone know the command to burn the ima
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Dave Morgan
wrote:
> Wiki? I'm sure there must be something in there.
I just got back from vacation. Don't know why I didn't think about the
Wiki. Duh...
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CD_Burning
On 20 May 2010, at 17:26, Carlos Mennens wrote:
How do I create a bootable install disk from an .ISO image I
downloaded from the Arch site? I would like to know how to do this via
CLI only rather than using a front end GUI like Gnome Baker, K3B, or
Brasero. Does anyone know the command to burn
How do I create a bootable install disk from an .ISO image I
downloaded from the Arch site? I would like to know how to do this via
CLI only rather than using a front end GUI like Gnome Baker, K3B, or
Brasero. Does anyone know the command to burn the image to disk via
CLI and what packages I must h
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