Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-25 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 19:38, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: -~ On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: -~ On (10/24/11 18:00), Karol Blazewicz wrote: -~ -~ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: -~ -~ Besides,

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-25 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: Say I want to try package X, but instead I download pkgs X, Y and Z from testing. Now my scripts which rely on /proc/.../BAT0/* fail because pkg Y is a new kernel, /dev/cdrom is gone since pkg Z is udev. And all I wanted

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-25 Thread Myra Nelson
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:56, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: Say I want to try package X, but instead I download pkgs X, Y and Z from testing. Now my scripts which rely on /proc/.../BAT0/* fail because pkg Y is a

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: A user basically is using [testing] without fulfilling the above requirements. Should the user be advised not to use [testing] or is this counter-productive to the purpose of [testing]? It is very important that people

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Martti Kühne
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: snip Maybe this requirement should be communicated more clearly (e.g. a comment in the standard pacman.conf)? Great idea. I mean, as a non-[testing] user I get that guinea pig feeling which comes naturally with linux often

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Martti Kühne mysat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: snip Maybe this requirement should be communicated more clearly (e.g. a comment in the standard pacman.conf)? Great idea. I mean, as a non-[testing]

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:24:26 +0200 schrieb Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:41 AM, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: A user basically is using [testing] without fulfilling the above requirements. Should the user be advised not to use [testing] or is this

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Myra Nelson
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 06:53, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Martti Kühne mysat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: snip Maybe this requirement should be communicated more clearly (e.g. a comment in the

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Leonid Isaev
On (10/24/11 09:37), Myra Nelson wrote: -~ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 06:53, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: -~ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Martti Kühne mysat...@gmail.com wrote: -~ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: -~ snip -~ Maybe this requirement should

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: Besides, one really doesn't have to enable testing in pacman.conf -- individual pacman -U will do, imho. I've read that [testing] is all or nothing and you shouldn't cherrypick packages because you might break something.

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Leonid Isaev
On (10/24/11 18:00), Karol Blazewicz wrote: -~ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: -~ Besides, one really doesn't have to enable testing in pacman.conf -- individual -~ pacman -U will do, imho. -~ -~ I've read that [testing] is all or nothing and you

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: On (10/24/11 18:00), Karol Blazewicz wrote: -~ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: -~ Besides, one really doesn't have to enable testing in pacman.conf -- individual -~ pacman -U

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-24 Thread Myra Nelson
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 19:38, Oon-Ee Ng ngoonee.t...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: On (10/24/11 18:00), Karol Blazewicz wrote: -~ On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev lis...@umail.iu.edu wrote: -~ Besides, one really

[arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-23 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Testing#.5Btesting.5D states the following (paraphrased for summary):- [testing] is for experienced users who can deal with broken systems, not for the 'absolute latest' package versions. It may break critical/[core] packages, as such users are strongly

Re: [arch-general] Discussion on usage of [testing] repo - minimal requirements?

2011-10-23 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2011-10-24 11:41:47 +0800] Oon-Ee Ng: [testing] is for experienced users who can deal with broken systems, not for the 'absolute latest' package versions. It may break critical/[core] packages, as such users are strongly encouraged to subscribe to [arch-dev-public] and watch the [testing]