Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-27 Thread Patrick Lauer
On 11/20/12 08:48, Daniel Micay wrote: [snip] The issues with a separate /usr were internal gentoo ones. Their initramfs tool is not yet capable of mounting it, Wrong. And the actual problem are the users that do not want an initramfs - things booted without one the last few decades, why add

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-27 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote: And the actual problem are the users that do not want an initramfs - things booted without one the last few decades, why add some machinery now that doesn't improve anything? (I mean, we could boot before, so what's the

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-20 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 20.11.2012 01:07, schrieb Kevin Chadwick: Odd, my take was that the main goal was trying to bring back a separate /usr. They believe that the problem is that udev refuses to work with /usr not mounted. They also believe the problem to be solved by just removing the test. They do not even

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-20 Thread Thomas Bächler
Am 20.11.2012 12:00, schrieb Felipe Contreras: Thomas Bächler wrote: Am 20.11.2012 01:07, schrieb Kevin Chadwick: Odd, my take was that the main goal was trying to bring back a separate /usr. They believe that the problem is that udev refuses to work with /usr not mounted. They also believe

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-20 Thread Thomas Bächler
I started replying, and then the post got way too long and I stopped. As you simply ignored most of what I said, I'll just quote most of this for reference and not reply to it (it is a funny read, after all). It is really pointless to keep arguing, because you won't see reason anyway (and frankly,

[arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Jérôme Bartand
I want to bring to your attention that Gentoo is working on a udev fork called eudev that will - respect the Unix philosophy - be POSIX-compliant and get rid of glibcisms - have no unnecessary dependencies (systemd, kmod) - support separate /usr

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Dave Reisner
I normally wouldn't respond to trolls on this list and really I'd rather have seen this post be moderated straight to where it belongs -- /dev/null. However On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jérôme Bartand moije...@gmail.com wrote: I want to bring to your attention that Gentoo is working on

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Leonid Isaev
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:31:40 +0100 Jérôme Bartand moije...@gmail.com wrote: I want to bring to your attention that Gentoo is working on a udev fork called eudev that will - respect the Unix philosophy - be POSIX-compliant and get rid of glibcisms - have no unnecessary dependencies

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Ionut Biru
On 11/19/2012 09:31 PM, Jérôme Bartand wrote: I want to bring to your attention that Gentoo is working on a udev fork called eudev that will - respect the Unix philosophy - be POSIX-compliant and get rid of glibcisms - have no unnecessary dependencies (systemd, kmod) - support separate

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-11-19 16:30:10 -0500] Dave Reisner: I normally wouldn't respond to trolls on this list and really I'd rather have seen this post be moderated straight to where it belongs -- /dev/null. And you'd normally be right. I've let this message through because it's short, borderline troll but

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-11-19 15:37:06 -0600] Leonid Isaev: This has already been discussed on the forums, in the General Linux section: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=153063. Please, keep the eudev-related issues there and do not pollute this ML, as I don't want to see 300 emails in my mailbox

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Jérôme Bartand moije...@gmail.com wrote: I want to bring to your attention that Gentoo is working on a udev fork called eudev Having read through their discussions, it seems that the main two things they would like to change is to be able to build udev without

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:54:31 +0100 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Having read through their discussions, it seems that the main two things they would like to change is to be able to build udev without building systemd (this does of course not change the resulting code, but saves time if

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Odd, my take was that the main goal was trying to bring back a separate /usr. There is nothing to be done in udev for this (just have a look in the eudev git repo; there are no commits fixing separate /usr), so that

Re: [arch-general] Gentoo udev fork w/o systemd

2012-11-19 Thread Daniel Micay
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 00:54:31 +0100 Tom Gundersen t...@jklm.no wrote: Having read through their discussions, it seems that the main two things they would like to change is to be able to build udev without building