Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-30 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Guus Snijders wrote: > > There are sometimes quite interesting details mentioned in the OT threads. > A -discuss list would be a good place for those, without cluttering > -general. > (yes, i'm being an optimist here ;-). > > Opening dev-public would take some serio

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-30 Thread Guus Snijders
Op 30 sep. 2012 06:37 schreef "Nicholas MIller" het volgende: > > On Sep 29, 2012 10:26 PM, "Oon-Ee Ng" wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > ...sometimes I want to contact the > > > devs to bring something up or ask a question on it. > > > > Ther

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-29 Thread Nicholas MIller
On Sep 29, 2012 10:26 PM, "Oon-Ee Ng" wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > ...sometimes I want to contact the > > devs to bring something up or ask a question on it. > > There's a bug tracker where you can directly contact maintainers, for > bugs/feature

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-29 Thread Oon-Ee Ng
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:53 AM, <1007...@gmail.com> wrote: > ...sometimes I want to contact the > devs to bring something up or ask a question on it. There's a bug tracker where you can directly contact maintainers, for bugs/feature requests. For 'questions' I'd think that's not really the res

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread 1007380
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 02:16:23AM +0800, Gaetan Bisson wrote: > [2012-09-28 12:01:01 +0200] Nicolas Sebrecht: > > The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: > > > > > We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person > > > posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollut

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-09-28 12:01:01 +0200] Nicolas Sebrecht: > The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: > > > We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person > > posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute threads > > with fear, uncertainty, doubt, and just sheer incompetence.

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Leonidas Spyropoulos
On 28 Sep 2012 11:34, "Tom Gundersen" wrote: > > An option could be to enable moderation on dev-public, still defaulting to > rejecting everything, but allow through high-quality contributions from the > outside. > I concur this idea, but who's is going to moderate it? You should consider that als

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sep 28, 2012 12:01 PM, "Nicolas Sebrecht" wrote: >> >> The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: >> >> > We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person >> > posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Tom Gundersen
On Sep 28, 2012 12:01 PM, "Nicolas Sebrecht" wrote: > > The 28/09/12, Gaetan Bisson wrote: > > > We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person > > posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollute threads > > with fear, uncertainty, doubt, and just sheer incom

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Gaetan Bisson
[2012-09-28 11:38:13 +0200] Nicolas Sebrecht: > What you're calling crap are all technical content that could gain with > direct emulation with official maintainers. We have recently seen on this very mailing list that for every person posting considerate opinions, there are dozens who just pollut

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Allan McRae
On 28/09/12 19:38, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > BTW, what a wonderfull attitude from you to non official people. Highly > contructive and motivating. Thanks. Thanks.

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-28 Thread Allan McRae
On 28/09/12 19:01, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 27/09/12, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > >> Can you give some examples of discussions you would see moving to >> archlinux-dev? > > Sure. > > Subject: [arch-general] Modifying archiso > From: Robbie Smith > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:47:11 +1000

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread David Benfell
On 09/27/2012 11:34 AM, Tobias Frilling wrote: The -discussion mailing list could serve as an outlet for this need, rendering the other list more productive via being moderated; The rule wouldn't be "shut up or be banned", which shouldn't really be necessary for rational folks like us, but "shu

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread nailz
Very eloquently put brethren "+1" On Sep 27, 2012 9:33 PM, "Martín Cigorraga" wrote: > While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also > agree with all the following emails. > Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about > http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, than

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 05:32:08PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote: > We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who: > [1 ... 6] A as user I can subscribe to this 100%, also to your conclusions. -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Martín Cigorraga
While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also agree with all the following emails. Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, thanks for that. I only want to add an observation to what was already said: Tipically all this fl

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Joakim Hernberg wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100 > mike cloaked wrote: > >> For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there > > Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet? You can subscribe to threads and

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 09:44 PM, Øyvind Heggstad wrote: > I can only see two things that can really help slow down/stop/revert the > spiral: > > 1) Moderation. Get rid of the serial trollers/flamers > 2) Get more devs and "good" people to join and be active.

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 17:28:02 +0100 mike cloaked wrote: > For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there Is there an alternative way to access the forums? mailing list, usenet? -- Joakim

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Øyvind Heggstad
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:19:31 +0200 Tobias Frilling wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > > And we are back... > > Sir, you've got some yarbles. > IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, > well, general.

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > > As it was mentioned a couple times on the list, the forums have > moderators. If you don't behave, you get banned, threads get closed > etc. OK - it seems to work - when I get frustrated with the mailling list I go to the forums instead

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:28 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > For those users who use the arch forums via a web interface there > seems to be more helpful comments and less trolling than in the > general list - just an observation - maybe that is because the forums > are split into a number of topic spec

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: > >> IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, >> general. > > The problem is not that arch-general is the wrong place for the latter > threads. Users are correct to think

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 04:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > Instead of fragmenting more the mailing lists with the hope of putting > poor contributions out of place for advanced users, let enter the > technical oriented users into the dev mailing list. I don't t

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 27/09/12, Tobias Frilling wrote: > > The problem is not at the general mailing list but at the dev mailing > list side. archlinux-dev is for contributors and as long somebody is just a user he should have read-only access. Unless we h

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Jakob Herrmann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Full ack, although I have the feeling that critical discussion is something what (at least some) devs/admins want to avoid within the community. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http:/

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Karol Blazewicz
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Tobias Frilling wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote: >> And we are back... > > Sir, you've got some yarbles. > IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, > general. > Wh

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Tobias Frilling
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/27/2012 12:43 PM, Allan McRae wrote: > And we are back... Sir, you've got some yarbles. IMHO the cause of all these flaming is that arch-general is too, well, general. What about if we would split this list up into a list for technical questions

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-27 Thread Allan McRae
On 26/09/12 21:35, Allan McRae wrote: > I am invoking the easy way to end flamewars... > > This mailing list will be shut down for the next 24 hours. Any messages > sent to the list will go to /dev/null. > > Once the list is reinstated, I will automatically ban any person who > sends an email th

[arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

2012-09-26 Thread Allan McRae
I am invoking the easy way to end flamewars... This mailing list will be shut down for the next 24 hours. Any messages sent to the list will go to /dev/null. Once the list is reinstated, I will automatically ban any person who sends an email that is not asking for help or providing help. Allan