Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:58 AM, Nicolas F. wrote: > On 28.09.2016 17:24, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > > > > > > > That was my reaction when I saw you post a long debunked FUD story to > this list. The problem lies with Intel and Lenovo, not Microsoft, and it

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On 28.09.2016 17:24, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > > > That was my reaction when I saw you post a long debunked FUD story to this list. The problem lies with Intel and Lenovo, not Microsoft, and it was not a malicious move against Linux, no matter how hard you want to be the victim

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:35:00 +0200, Lukas Rose wrote: >And the cases it didn't work out of the box were non-rolling-release >Distros where most times a manual kernel upgrade to some more recent >version fixed it. Sometimes it requires a BIOS update. When my mobo was new, it could be used with

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On 29/09/16 11:19, Lukas Rose wrote: "Worked for you this day", "you were lucky "…? I am talking of 100+ Linux installations on different hardware over the last few years. Not just one or two lucky cases. And sometimes it was very new hardware, like WiFi-Chips that were released a few weeks

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

> On 29 Sep 2016, at 11:56, Martin Kühne via arch-general > wrote: > > Honestly, though, "worked for you to this day" just doesn't cut it in this > case. > Just because you were lucky or never had to deal with really new > hardware doesn't mean hardware

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Lukas Rose wrote: > > I've been installing various Linux distributions on all kinds of notebooks > and desktop-PCs for several years now, and I almost never had problems with > hardware compatibility. Just follow the basic rules like avoid

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

> On 29 Sep 2016, at 10:40, Christian Kruse wrote: > > I can be sure that everything works with Linux. I don't have the time or > the energy to check the hardware vendors manually I've been installing various Linux distributions on all kinds of notebooks and desktop-PCs for

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 11:15:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:15:19 +0200, Martin Kühne via arch-general >wrote: >>Whoever makes a start with the wiki page will likely refer to this >>thread as a reference. > >And perhaps > >http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/ > >however,

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:15:19 +0200, Martin Kühne via arch-general wrote: >Whoever makes a start with the wiki page will likely refer to this >thread as a reference. And perhaps http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/ however, sometimes such lists are tricky. Sometimes hardware is mentioned as

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 >Good evening, > >Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ? > >Le 28 sept. 2016 21:04, "Jude DaShiell" a écrit : > If somebody is going to create a wiki entry then I wish to put forward Entroware

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:45:12 +0200, Christian Kruse wrote: >Ralf Mardorf writes: > >> You are right, but you also missed something. I've taken a look at an >> averaged tower PC. At first appearance the price seems to be ok, but >> after a further look I noticed that it's just the basic price, if

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

Hi, Dragon ryu via arch-general writes: > I generality don't hate DIY PC. I think it worth pay your time to do > so. I don't hate them. When I was younger all my computers were DIY computers. But times change, and my work load increased; now my spare time is *very*

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 10:40:17 +0200, Christian Kruse wrote: >I can be sure that everything works with Linux. For what purpose? Writing emails and surfing through the world wide web? How does their computers work, if you boot the kernel with "threadirqs" for real-time tasks? Will it cause less or

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016/09/29 17:44 "Christian Kruse" : > > Hi, > > Ralf Mardorf writes: > > > You are right, but you also missed something. I've taken a look at an > > averaged tower PC. At first appearance the price seems to be ok, but > > after a further look I noticed

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

Hi, Ralf Mardorf writes: > You are right, but you also missed something. I've taken a look at an > averaged tower PC. At first appearance the price seems to be ok, but > after a further look I noticed that it's just the basic price, if you > want at least one hard disk

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

Linux <arch-general@archlinux.org> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation Hi, Maxwell Anselm via arch-general <arch-general@archlinux.org> writes: Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ? Not exactly open-sourc

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

Hi, Merlin Büge writes: > But note that all that is not open source hardware (as mentioned > above). True, that's why I answered here and not earlier :-) > Also I'm not getting the point in buying such hardware -- there is > some linux distribution preinstalled, but that's

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Merlin Büge wrote: > But note that all that is not open source hardware (as mentioned above). > Also I'm not getting the point in buying such hardware -- there is some linux > distribution preinstalled, but that's it I guess. Or am I missing

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 09:54:17 +0200 Christian Kruse wrote: > Hi, > > Maxwell Anselm via arch-general writes: > > >> > >> Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ? > > > > > > Not exactly open-source/FSF-endorsed but https://system76.com/

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

Hi, Maxwell Anselm via arch-general writes: >> >> Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ? > > > Not exactly open-source/FSF-endorsed but https://system76.com/ sells > laptops with Ubuntu-preinstalled so those are also guaranteed to run Arch. Germany

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

I passively +1 to creating a wiki page for the time being. While it's worth mentioning the good parts as we listed them in this thread, it's also important to list bad parts and link the intel/lenovo debacle, somehow. Also, I might go and put whatever broadcom wifi interfaces on that list that

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

> I would personally recommend the Project Sputnik hardware from Dell > , > in particular the XPS 13 Developer Edition .They put a decent amount of > effort into making sure the BIOS and firmware at least work with the

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

I would personally recommend the Project Sputnik hardware from Dell , in particular the XPS 13 Developer Edition .They put a decent amount of effort into making sure the BIOS and firmware at least work with the latest

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

> > Do you Have any pointer to good opensource hardware ? Not exactly open-source/FSF-endorsed but https://system76.com/ sells laptops with Ubuntu-preinstalled so those are also guaranteed to run Arch.

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

The FSF has a directory of hardware that respects geek's freedom [0]. I've recently been on a UK based liberated hardware seller, but hell I can't dig up the link right now. cheers! mar77i [0] http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

> Cc: Martin K?hne <mysat...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks >> Linux Installation >> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general >> <arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: &

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

ral@archlinux.org> To: General Discussion about Arch Linux <arch-general@archlinux.org> Cc: Martin K?hne <mysat...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-gen

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 5:35 PM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > I worry about if and how this will affect Arch. Any opinions? > > It's a thing people have to be wary about. Average arch users may have similar laziness with regards to what their hardware

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

If anything, it's intel being asswipe lazy to not upstream linux drivers for this new raid mode. cheers! mar77i

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:35:04 -0400 Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > I worry about if and how this will affect Arch. Any opinions? > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Kyle Bassett via arch-general < > arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > > > This is

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

I'm not gonna lie, this is all a tad technical even for me, but wouldn't intsalling an AMD chip solve the issue? On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Doug Newgard wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:24:25 -0400 > Francis Gerund via arch-general

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

2016/09/29 1:22 "D C via arch-general" : > > I'm not gonna lie, this is all a tad technical even for me, but > wouldn't intsalling an AMD chip solve the issue? > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Doug Newgard wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Sep 2016

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016 11:24:25 -0400 Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc- > requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md > > It was nice while it lasted. > > They don't

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

I worry about if and how this will affect Arch. Any opinions? On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Kyle Bassett via arch-general < arch-general@archlinux.org> wrote: > This is insane! Apple set the precedent with smart phones, but now we have > Trusted Computing Creep in desktops. Used are

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

This is insane! Apple set the precedent with smart phones, but now we have Trusted Computing Creep in desktops. Used are losing further control of their own devices. Ugh. On 28 Sep 2016 11:27, "D C via arch-general" wrote: Wow, is MS desperate or something? On

Re: [arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

Wow, is MS desperate or something? On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Francis Gerund via arch-general wrote: > https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc- > requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md > > It was nice

[arch-general] Microsoft Signature PC Requirements Now Blocks Linux Installation

https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/21/1516230/microsoft-signature-pc- requirements-now-blocks-linux-installation-reports?sbsrc=md It was nice while it lasted.