Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-18 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Andres P wrote: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: >> >> ah yes, SSL! sorry :) >> > > On 2006-05-01 22:34:12, Ulf Möller, openssl developer [1], responded > [2] to openssl packager Kurt Roeckx [3] saying that he was for > applying the patch

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Andres P
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: > > ah yes, SSL! sorry :) > On 2006-05-01 22:34:12, Ulf Möller, openssl developer [1], responded [2] to openssl packager Kurt Roeckx [3] saying that he was for applying the patch just to keep valgrind quiet. But openssl doesn't like to tal

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Andres P wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim > wrote: >> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:33 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >>> >>> security is the responsibility of those deploying, not those >>> packaging.  it requires end-to-end oversight and

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Andres P
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:18 PM, Jeffrey 'jf' Lim wrote: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:33 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: >> >> security is the responsibility of those deploying, not those >> packaging.  it requires end-to-end oversight and complete >> configuration toward a specific and particular

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Jeffrey 'jf' Lim
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 8:33 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > > security is the responsibility of those deploying, not those > packaging.  it requires end-to-end oversight and complete > configuration toward a specific and particular purpose; something that > is not possible for those creating a di

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Burlynn Corlew Jr wrote: > I am going to vote that you please do not CC all of this to arch-general. > Many of us are not concerned with this, and already this afternoon I've seen > enough mail regarding it that I can see it as a problem. The arch-security > list h

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Burlynn Corlew Jr
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > I've created a Google Group here for discussion around creating an Arch > Security Team: > > http://groups.google.com/group/arch-security > > Please join it if you're interested. The reason for this group is in > response to my rejected su

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Marek Otahal
On Friday 18 of June 2010 00:35:19 Miah Johnson wrote: > I think there is much more that can be done besides the short list from > Ananda. The thing you have to remember is that "security" does not mean > "I'm running the newest code.". > > Things to remember: > 1. There is no such thing as "secur

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Op 't Eynde
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:00:57 +0200, Ng Oon-Ee wrote: My OPINION is that Arch is not a distro for those who do not want to do regular total updates. Of course, some have individual packages in NoUpgrade, but the number of problems which crop up which come down to "you didn't run pacman -Syu!" is

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Ng Oon-Ee
Comments interspersed on a few points. On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 15:35 -0700, Miah Johnson wrote: > I think there is much more that can be done besides the short list from > Ananda. The thing you have to remember is that "security" does not mean "I'm > running the newest code.". > > Things to remembe

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Op 't Eynde
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 00:35:19 +0200, Miah Johnson wrote: Things to remember: 1. There is no such thing as "secure". 2. Proper security consists of multiple layers of defense. Additional examples of things the AST could do: 1. Propose changes to default configuration files to be "more secure",

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Miah Johnson
I think there is much more that can be done besides the short list from Ananda. The thing you have to remember is that "security" does not mean "I'm running the newest code.". Things to remember: 1. There is no such thing as "secure". 2. Proper security consists of multiple layers of defense. Add

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Jeroen Op 't Eynde
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:57:56 +0200, Ananda Samaddar wrote: 1. Check for vulnerabilities 2. Know how to use PKGBUILDS and abs 3. Can spare some time to send announcements, create interim PKGBUILDs and file security issues on the bug tracker. 1. [testing] users do that 2. [testing] users, Dev

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Ananda Samaddar
On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:45:17 -0500 Dan McGee wrote: > > Sounds like a blast from the past: > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Security_Task_Force > http://code.google.com/p/arch-sheriff/ > > Best of luck this time around. > > -Dan As I've mentioned before, I don't think getting the process

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Miah Johnson
Cool. I just joined. -Miah On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Dan McGee wrote: > On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Ananda Samaddar > wrote: > > I've created a Google Group here for discussion around creating an Arch > > Security Team: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/arch-security > > > >

Re: [arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Dan McGee
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Ananda Samaddar wrote: > I've created a Google Group here for discussion around creating an Arch > Security Team: > > http://groups.google.com/group/arch-security > > Please join it if you're interested.  The reason for this group is in > response to my rejected su

[arch-general] New Google Group for discussion and notices on Arch security.

2010-06-17 Thread Ananda Samaddar
I've created a Google Group here for discussion around creating an Arch Security Team: http://groups.google.com/group/arch-security Please join it if you're interested. The reason for this group is in response to my rejected suggestion for an arch-security mailing list. I'll CC any policy or pro