Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Or much better "self responsibility", sorry, I couldn't
> resist. Use jackd, read the ff manual and control audio streams
> yourself. Automation always tends to fail.
>
How I agree that manual control will give better results assuming
one knows what he is doin
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 08:07 -0400, Alex Belanger wrote:
> You are either trolling or don't understand that you are not one man
> group. We have guidelines: He asked politely; be respectful back but
> also for others here.
Top posting isn't nice too ;).
However, some shared mails off-list, if a dis
You are either trolling or don't understand that you are not one man group. We
have guidelines: He asked politely; be respectful back but also for others here.
On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 03:17 AM, Tom Rand wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lu
On 08/14/2012 03:17 AM, Tom Rand wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to the KHz,
simply to the chip.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
> On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to the KHz,
> > simply to the chip.
> >
>
> I always thought t
On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to the KHz,
> simply to the chip.
>
I always thought that these high sampling frequencies are used to
avoid aliasing without need for a
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 20:33 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> > I doubt those use 16 bits input. Even low-end hi-fi digital
> > recorders support 24 bits, which gives -72dB for the noise and
> > starts indeed to be acceptable. But most end-u
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 20:33 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> I doubt those use 16 bits input. Even low-end hi-fi digital
> recorders support 24 bits, which gives -72dB for the noise and
> starts indeed to be acceptable. But most end-user will simply set
> their system to "CD quality" (or leave it
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:33:41PM +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > 16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the
> > signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases,
> > the error (a rounding error) is random and appears
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 19:53 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> Two points:
>
> - You don't readjust the master continuously, but you don't
> add/remove sources on the fly either. You adjust the master in the
> beginning when you setup your system, but the reason you can do that
> is becaus
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> 16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the
> signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases,
> the error (a rounding error) is random and appears as noise. For a
> 16-bit card, that noise will have a level that is 98 dB low
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 19:38 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
>> Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's
>> wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying
>> the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain
>>
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 16:35 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
> > asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
> > after a while at LA
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Karol Blazewicz
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>>> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
>>
>> Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the
>>
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once
> asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world
> after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean.
Which is Neutrik made i
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 18:20 +0200, Karol Blazewicz wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> >> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
> >
> > Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if th
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
>
> Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the
> soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive, since in Germany we'
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 23:49 +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> Otherwise, we usually make our own cables.
Private I sometimes buy ready to use cables, I just check if the
soldering joints are ok. It's less expensive, since in Germany we've got
an online retailer who sells equipment for less money.
On 13 August 2012 16:04, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>
>> Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same
>> pro audio world sells Ł10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and
>> then plugs them into a standar
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 12:21 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share
> > of nonsense, but it's different nonsense.
>
> Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile
> example is a little funny without explanation.
One hand washes
> Not that the pro audio world doesn't have its own share
> of nonsense, but it's different nonsense.
Yeah but that stuff is usually just irritating but the audiophile
example is a little funny without explanation.
--
___
'Writ
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 02:08 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> The same pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as
> your arm and then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket.
>
No, that are rich consumers. I don't think that all of those consumers
are stupid audiophiles, I gue
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same
> pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and
> then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket.
Nobody in the pro audio world fa
> If it is true that a noticeable glitch is
> produced, then obviously you have a point, however if the glitch is
> not noticeable then I don't see the problem you have with PA.
In the pro audio world the spinning of a cd has been noted to introduce
errors as well as the windows volume control whi
> I think you are forgetting that linux-based OS market usage is <1.0%. So by
> the same logic, why do so many people prefer NOT to use these OSs, because
> they are so good? Are those people all idiots? Sometimes numbers don't mean
> much...
I guess you mean Linux-based desktop OS market usage. L
On 13 Aug 2012 04:31, "Fons Adriaensen" wrote:
>
> Please don't tell me that PA is using 16-bit for its internal
> operations - that would really prove it's complete crap.
>
As far as I can recall from discussion on their list, it's floating point.
And thanks for the explanations fons, I've always
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 22:17 +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
> On 12-08-2012 20:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > Is it really possible to know exactly, every time, at what level the sum
> > of the audio streams are? IIRC float point does avoid some issues.
> > However, do you think it's smart to adjust at
On 12-08-2012 20:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Is it really possible to know exactly, every time, at what level the sum
> of the audio streams are? IIRC float point does avoid some issues.
> However, do you think it's smart to adjust at least two following
> instances within the same audio chain at th
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 07:38:58PM +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's
> wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying
> the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain
> in analog (or use
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 20:04 +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
> If we are talking about digital systems, you know exactly what the
> maximum level is
I programmed a 2bit MIDI sampler in Assembler and Basic for the C64, but
even there the sampling was "stolen" from speechbasic and after that, my
knowledge
On 12-08-2012 18:38, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:09 +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
>> On 12-08-2012 17:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:02 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
The second case, where the total gain should be <0dB, I would have
thought intuitively
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 20:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 20:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:29 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > > What does this mean ? It means that the dynamic range of 95 dB is
> > > more than enough. And if it isn't (as in a musi
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 20:44 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:29 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > What does this mean ? It means that the dynamic range of 95 dB is
> > more than enough. And if it isn't (as in a music studio where you'd
> > want higher peak levels and the ambien
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:29 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> What does this mean ? It means that the dynamic range of 95 dB is
> more than enough. And if it isn't (as in a music studio where you'd
> want higher peak levels and the ambient noise level is lower) you
> just need a few more bits, maybe
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10:10AM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB is
> normalized to max power (in watts = intensity).
[ Tom & Leonid ]
> Lots of questions...
I'll try to answer them, but not all at a time (I need to eat/sleep
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 19:38 +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote:
> Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > It is never necessary. It it were that would imply that a sound
> > card without any gain controls (equivalent to a fixed 0 dB gain)
> > would fail in some cases. It doesn't. In fact many PRO cards are
> > jus
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:09 +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
> On 12-08-2012 17:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:02 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> >> The second case, where the total gain should be <0dB, I would have
> >> thought intuitively that doing this purely in software (especial
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> It is never necessary. It it were that would imply that a sound
> card without any gain controls (equivalent to a fixed 0 dB gain)
> would fail in some cases. It doesn't. In fact many PRO cards are
> just like that.
>
> If you have apps A, B, C with volumes a, b, c you can
On 12-08-2012 17:11, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:02 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> The second case, where the total gain should be <0dB, I would have
>> thought intuitively that doing this purely in software (especially on
>> very faint signals) would be less ideal than doing it
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 12:43 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/12/2012 10:00 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
> [putolin]
>
> > Clearly, PA is not meant for professional audio work. And it might be
> > that for a professional all the PA logic is both unnecessary and maybe
> > even detrimental (so you'd
On 08/12/2012 10:00 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
[putolin]
Clearly, PA is not meant for professional audio work. And it might be
that for a professional all the PA logic is both unnecessary and maybe
even detrimental (so you'd use jack or pure ALSA instead, that should
not be a problem). However,
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 11:10 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> > Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB
> > is normalized to max power (in watts = intensity).
>
> You can boost a signal.
... > 0dB for the result of
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 11:10 -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB
> is normalized to max power (in watts = intensity).
You can boost a signal.
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 18:02 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> The second case, where the total gain should be <0dB, I would have
> thought intuitively that doing this purely in software (especially on
> very faint signals) would be less ideal than doing it in hw (you'd be
> throwing away the resolution
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB is
> normalized to max power (in watts = intensity).
If I understand correctly, 0dB is "don't apply any gain". On some
chips, that's indeed the same as max, but I have had
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> So... on my intel AD I have PCM and Master knobs (in alsa). Are you saying
> that I should set Master to max (-0dB) and control volume through PCM only?
FWIW, on my intel soundcard I have Master, PCM and Front. When I
change the system vo
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:02:59 +0200
Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> >
> >> You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple)
> >> case. However, you have not sh
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> If you have apps A, B, C with volumes a, b, c you can always
> set the HW gain to unity gain (0dB), and send
>
> s = a * A + b * B + c * C (1)
>
> to the soundcard. What would be the advantage of doing what
> PA does, which is
>
>
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:07:32 +
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:47:59AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
> > Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who
> > is sick of PA, but for once I'm seeing the chance to learn something
> > from one of these thr
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
>> You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple)
>> case. However, you have not showed that it is unnecessary in all
>> cases, so this is not really r
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 15:01:06 +
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen
> > wrote:
> > > it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer
> > > that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that wh
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple)
> case. However, you have not showed that it is unnecessary in all
> cases, so this is not really relevant (had we been talking about a
> human doing this, you'd
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer
> > that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that whenever you want
> > to adjust a single channnel you may have to adjust *al
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 16:00 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Ok. This is what I was wondering about. I will try to listen for
> glitches then (I have not noticed any during my years of using PA, but
> I'll pay more attention). If it is true that a noticeable glitch is
> produced, then obviously you ha
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer
> that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that whenever you want
> to adjust a single channnel you may have to adjust *all* others and
> the master at the same time.
Unlike humans, computers d
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 15:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 15:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 13:07 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > > [4]
> > >
> > > You can't apply a soundcard mixer gain change at some exact
> > > point in a sample stream. So you can
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 15:27 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 13:07 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > [4]
> >
> > You can't apply a soundcard mixer gain change at some exact
> > point in a sample stream. So you can't change the master
> > gain and change your internal scaling to c
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 13:07 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> [4]
>
> You can't apply a soundcard mixer gain change at some exact
> point in a sample stream. So you can't change the master
> gain and change your internal scaling to compensate at
> exactly the same time. There will always be a glitch
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:47:59AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who
> is sick of PA, but for once I'm seeing the chance to learn something
> from one of these threads ;-)).
No authority needed here, it's just extremely clumsy to us
On 12 August 2012 02:47, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>> This is completely sick. Any audio engineer trying to
>> use a mixer that way would (and should) be fired for
>> gross incompetence - immediately.
>
> Argument by authority, nice. Care to el
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 03:06 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:43 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen
> > wrote:
> > > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
> > > that setup can't be maintained when a second
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 02:43 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
> > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
> > which can happen at any time. Suppose that fi
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> This is completely sick. Any audio engineer trying to
> use a mixer that way would (and should) be fired for
> gross incompetence - immediately.
Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who
is sick of PA, but for on
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>> This is not correct. If the app has proper PA support (such as all KDE
>> apps, and probably all gnome apps), then PA does the app specific
>> mixing, not the app itself.
>
> That doesn't stop the app from having its own internal volume
>
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 01:41 +0200, Jan Steffens wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
> > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
> > which can happen at any time. Suppose that fir
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 01:41:01AM +0200, Jan Steffens wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
> > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
> > which can happen at any time. Suppose t
On 12-08-2012 00:41, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/11/2012 07:37 PM, Mauro Santos wrote:
>> On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote:
>>> On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen
wrote:
> So imagine the average desktop user who gets five o
On Sun, 2012-08-12 at 00:15 +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
> > them:
> >
> > - one provided by the application (player or something)
> > - one provided by PA or similar,
> > - pro
On 08/11/2012 07:37 PM, Mauro Santos wrote:
On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen
wrote:
So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
them:
- one provided by the application (player o
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because
> that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing
> which can happen at any time. Suppose that first (single) app has
> its volume set to some low value, and PA
On 11-08-2012 23:33, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen
>> wrote:
>>> So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
>>> them:
>>>
>>> - one provided by the application (player or something)
>>> - one pro
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41:24AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control
> > an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is
> > the output from the app.
>
> This i
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control
> an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is
> the output from the app.
This is not correct. If the app has proper PA support (such as all KDE
apps, and p
On 08/11/2012 06:15 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
them:
- one provided by the application (player or something)
- one provided by PA or similar,
- probably two by the soundcard mixer,
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15:14AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
> > them:
> >
> > - one provided by the application (player or something)
> > - one provided by PA or similar,
>
On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of
> them:
>
> - one provided by the application (player or something)
> - one provided by PA or similar,
> - probably two by the soundcard mixer,
PA combines these three into one. S
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:02:50PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> With pulse it just takes over the master volume when it try to
> adjust audio in an application cranking the master volume to full.
> Without pulse it just works the way I like it to be. So count me as
> one of the ones who doesn't like
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:21:01 +0200
schrieb Damjan :
> not to worry, the whole world of free software developers (including
> Arch) are here and have all the time to serve your wishes.
Have you thought about that comment before sending it?
Heiko
And I hadn't had time to set up a VM.
not to worry, the whole world of free software developers (including
Arch) are here and have all the time to serve your wishes.
--
дамјан
*grabs popcorn*
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> But they take space on my harddisk. And even TB harddisks can get full
> some day. And not everybody is able to afford a new one at once.
[kwpolska@kwpolska-lin ~]% du -sh /usr/lib/systemd
3.6M/usr/lib/systemd
Seriously?
2012/8/11 Guus Snijders :
> 2012/8/11 Heiko Baums :
[...]
>> And I just don't want this systemd stuff on my harddisk.
>
> Well, it should be possible to create a system (even Arch!) completely
> free of systemd tools. You'd have to rebuild some of the initscripts
> and, oh yeah, fire up mknod to
2012/8/11 Heiko Baums :
> Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:02:03 +0200
> schrieb Tom Gundersen :
>
>> Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have
>> surprisingly few systemd/pulseaudio bugs open, considering all the
>> noise they create on the ML.
Also surprising: a few people mentioned
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:16:46 +0200
Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:56:49 +0200
> schrieb Jelle van der Waa :
>
> > Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd
> > market share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to
> > switch to systemd. With these m
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 09:56:49 +0200
schrieb Jelle van der Waa :
> Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd
> market share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to
> switch to systemd. With these major distro's taking up systemd, it's
> almost impossible that it's
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:02:03 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen :
> Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have
> surprisingly few systemd/pulseaudio bugs open, considering all the
> noise they create on the ML.
Is it really that hard to respect other people's opinions and wishes?
I
On Aug 11, 2012 2:38 PM, "Heiko Baums" wrote:
>
> Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:47:09 +0300
> schrieb Thanasis Georgiou :
>
> > So you had a problem but when Tom wrote a patch you were unwilling to
> > help test it?
>
> What part of "I had no time to set up a VM." and "I have only one
> stable system whi
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 03:47:09 +0300
schrieb Thanasis Georgiou :
> So you had a problem but when Tom wrote a patch you were unwilling to
> help test it?
What part of "I had no time to set up a VM." and "I have only one
stable system which needs to be stable and reliable." didn't you get?
Heiko
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 12:52 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 09:56 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> > Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd market
> > share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to switch to
> > systemd. With these major dist
On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 09:56 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> Sure soon RHEL will switch to systemd with RHEL 7, so the systemd market
> share will probably continue to grow. Also SUSE seems to switch to
> systemd. With these major distro's taking up systemd, it's almost
> impossible that it's not
On 10/08/12 23:38, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400
> schrieb Brandon Watkins :
>
>> Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software
>> with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the
>> author is comparing apples to oranges.
>
> Sor
Op 11 aug. 2012 03:02 schreef "Tom Gundersen" het volgende:
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Heiko Baums
wrote:
[...]
> > Like I said before, if you would support systemd, sytemd-tools and
> > everything else related to systemd totally optional, and keep
> > initscripts pure initscripts witho
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> I have the impression that you are one of those systemd fanboys, and
> just don't want to hear that systemd and PA have a lot of serious
> issues.
Issues, serious or otherwise, belong in the bug-tracker. We have
surprisingly few systemd/pulsea
On Aug 11, 2012 3:11 AM, "Heiko Baums" baums
-on- web.de > wrote:
> Just to mention, you've also written that this patch you've written
> should not be used or tested in stable, productive environments. I only
> have one PC which needs to run stably and reliably. I can't run into
> danger that my d
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen :
> You pointed out a feature that initsrcipts used to have
> which systemd-cryptsetup lacked, (on the same day) I posted a patch to
> implement the feature you requested, and asked for feedback (which you
> didn't give)
Just to mention, yo
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:56:33 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen :
> This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly
> is not the right thread for it.
This is the right mailing list for this issue, because downstream is
also affected by this. And it is also downstream's decision whet
Am Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:57:46 +0200
schrieb Tom Gundersen :
> I prefer the reviews (good or bad) from someone who has actually read
> the book.
You can usually assume that everybody who writes a review has actually
read the book.
Heiko
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 00:59:25 +0200, Leonid Isaev
wrote:
Do we always have to get personal?
Seems to me that some people have way too much free time...
And do you think it's a good idea to spam my inbox? Ah, right, I should
unsubscribe.
I don't read reviews because relevant people you
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 23:38:15 +0200
Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:33:39 -0400
> schrieb Brandon Watkins :
>
> > Systemd and pulseaudio are completely different pieces of software
> > with different purposes. Comparing them like that just because of the
> > author is comparing apples
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
> If you buy a book at Amazon e.g., what do you read? Only the best
> 5-star reviews or also the 1-star reviews? I tell you something. Not
> always but a lot of times the fewer 1-star reviews are the better and
> more realistic ones.
I prefer t
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Heiko Baums wrote:
[snip: lots of whining about pulse audio]
This is not the right mailinglist for this issue. And this certainly
is not the right thread for it.
> And systemd seems to be similar. I also don't like that you want to
> imprint this systemd stuff ev
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