Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-18 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
Well I think you're to dramatic now :) No one is going to kill something that is rock solid and dynamic distro, the only ones that will manage to do so is those who don't care about it at all. I mean you don't get the point here. I'm creating an wiki article(Snapshot_Release), hopping to explain my

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-18 Thread James Rayner
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Ali H. Caliskan wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that > goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, > I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I > person

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-18 Thread Dieter Plaetinck
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:55:12 +0100 Kristoffer Fossgård wrote: > I think this already exists to some extent. > > It's called "new cd/dvd installer image", that is, whenever the Arch > team releases a new installer, which is supposed to be every month > now? what? every month? are you crazy :)

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Kristoffer Fossgård
>Hi, > >I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday >that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on >the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken >packages. I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained >compared to oth

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Biru Ionut
Ali H. Caliskan wrote: Hi, I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. what broken packages? if archlinux provides vani

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote: > Grigorios Bouzakis schrieb: >> >> Hi, it has been discussed many times in the past. Bottom line is, if >> you want to do that go ahead, the developers wont help you. Meaning >> this will not be an official project. > > It's true that there w

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Johannes Held
Thomas Bächler : > That said, from my and many users' experience, Arch is very stable > despite constantly changing. We have managed to walk the fine line > between bleeding edge and stability/usability, and I think we have been > doing pretty well. And that's one of the big facts why I _love_ A

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
Thank you for your clarification, and I do not mean to create "beasts of burden" out of you guys :) Kind regards, Ali On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Ali H. Caliskan > wrote: > > Well, I didn't intend to upset you guys :) But such is his

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
I agree with you completely. I'm not saying that Arch is unstable or stable, but rather talking about rolling release concept in snapshot release. It's good to know that there are people to seek help for this kind of project. I mean if I was a developer, I certainly would be doing stuff than writin

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Thomas Bächler
Grigorios Bouzakis schrieb: Hi, it has been discussed many times in the past. Bottom line is, if you want to do that go ahead, the developers wont help you. Meaning this will not be an official project. It's true that there won't be an official project, but it doesn't mean there won't be any h

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Ali H. Caliskan wrote: > Well, I didn't intend to upset you guys :) But such is history, it appears > to have happened bofore and it certainly will happen again. I'm not saying > that I need this, but it certainly would benefit the Arch community. I'm not > a devel

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
thanks for the wiki link, it's good to know that some has tried to implement the ideas, which I didn't know existed at all. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ali H. Caliskan > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been using Arch since few mont

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
I'm sick of this Debian comparison, I'm infakt a former debian user for 8 years, so I know that it's not all abou this. On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Mike Sampson wrote: > I have found Arch very stable even with a rolling release system though I > don't run KDE or Gnome. One cause of issues

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
Well, I didn't intend to upset you guys :) But such is history, it appears to have happened bofore and it certainly will happen again. I'm not saying that I need this, but it certainly would benefit the Arch community. I'm not a developer, so I'll have difficulties applying what you're saying thoug

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Mike Sampson
I have found Arch very stable even with a rolling release system though I don't run KDE or Gnome. One cause of issues seen often in the forums is problems caused by *not* running pacman -Syu on a regular basis. I run it daily. I like Arch the way it is. It's nice to read about some issue affecting

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Aaron Griffin
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ali H. Caliskan > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that >> goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, >> I've encou

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Allan McRae
Ali H. Caliskan wrote: Hi, I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I personally think Arch is stable and well maintain

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Dan Vratil
Hi, I believe that having system still-up-to-date is one of the basic ideas of Arch. If you want to have snapshot just waint until your system is "stable enough" and then don't do pacman -Syu for some time :-) On Tuesday 17 March 2009 23:19:07 Ali H. Caliskan wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using Ar

Re: [arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Ali H. Caliskan wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that > goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, > I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I > perso

[arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
Hi, I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other big

[arch-general] On rolling release system and its benefits.

2009-03-17 Thread Ali H. Caliskan
Hi, I've been using Arch since few months and I enjoy using it everyday that goes by. However, during that time, while helping Arch users on the forum, I've encountered some issues concerning upgrades and broken packages. I personally think Arch is stable and well maintained compared to other big